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starlord , to Work Reform in California law would give employees the 'right to disconnect' during nonworking hours

This isn’t already a right?

Landless2029 ,

In my state being called into work requires a 3 hour minimum payment.

So a manager texting me to go respond to an email would be a 3 hour charge.

Our work culture was set to leave people alone off the clock due to this.

Now that I’m a salary employee I can see this being an issue. When I login in the morning I can see chatter at 11pm on work stuff.

Thankfully I’m not expected to answer to anything until my normal hours.

Pyr_Pressure ,

There needs to be legislation to reign in salary type work as well.

It still needs to be based on hours, like an average of 40 hours per week sort of thing.

Yes your pay cheque will be the same every week for simplicity, but you shouldn’t be expected to work 60 hours just because you’re salary. If you work one week 50 hours, you should be able to tell your boss you are only working 30 hours the next week.

Landless2029 ,

Yeah “evening out hours” is usually referred to flex.

I had a job I literally did 90 hrs then 100 hours and the company gave me ONE day off the week after.

I was drowning and we succeeded. I got minimal recognition, a minor bonus (no where near enough to cover my OT) and only a day off. Spoke with the CEO as part of my kudos and he said we would get me my hours back.

My boss had other plans. Needed the coverage.

I started applying around after that.

starlord ,

I clarify with every job how many hours per week they're paying me to do. I've never worked a minute past my agreed time without a contract stating how many extra hours were required, how much extra wages that would require, and under what circumstances such a clause can be triggered.

I didn't realize others had so little control. It's really heartbreaking.

Landless2029 ,

Super toxic workplaces...

Last job I had was salary and it was 40 hrs a week minimum with "additional hours as needed by business needs"

This usually meant after hours server administration but if there was an outage then it was all you can eat unpaid overtime.

The worst part is mandatory 9am to 5pm coverage so no "evening out hours"

starlord ,

I have worked extra hours on salary, because on salary I'm being paid for the work, not the time. If I didn't complete the work, I need to keep working. But that's the fault of my own time management or inability to foresee the complexity of the task or estimate it's workload properly.

Hourly gigs for me are always time constrained. You tell me my weekly shift before I sign and I tell you under what circumstances I'll work OT (including rate, advanced notice, etc.) otherwise we have no deal.

I understand that not everyone is presented with the same choice or available opportunities, and my heart goes out to them.

Pyr_Pressure ,

The flaw with salary is that there is no defined amount of "work".

It wont always be because you underestimated the complexity and mismanaged your time. If they asked you to complete a task and the only way to do it was to work 80 hours a week, sure that's sometimes necessary. But what if they do that every week? Unless you were aware of those requirements during the hiring process and salary negotiation there's nothing you can do. What if they pile on even more to your 80 hour week and you need to work the occasional 100 hour week?

There's no way to regulate salary abuse, that's why the system needs to be based on an average of hours.

Kase ,

Pfft, I’ve had friends who worked fast food jobs where they regularly got called in during their off hours/days. From what they told me, they had to commit to not just answering the phone, but showing up anytime their employer asked them to, no scheduling or prior notice required. This was apparently something they could get fired over refusing. It’s bonkers.

This is in the US, but not California.

Mirshe ,

Yup, my old grocery store required this as a part of being full-time. You couldn't refuse a shift, couldn't swap hours, and had to be able to come in when asked unless the absence was preplanned or a medical emergency.

Needless to say, almost all of the full-time people had no lives outside work, at all.

mySFWaccount , to Politics in Trump's former lawyer was indicted in Georgia. She wants his defense funds to pay her legal fees.

If you’re going to be complicit in a coup, you’d better make sure you pull it off.

Neato ,
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It's much like a rebellion or revolution (which Jan 6 was). You either win and become revolutionaries, or you hang for treason.

keeb420 ,

Or you get a slap on the wrist like so many who tried a coup on Jan 6th.

DrPop ,

If you were beating cops and entered the capital building you’re guilty. I can’t stand how long this has taken.

PhlubbaDubba , to Work Reform in California law would give employees the 'right to disconnect' during nonworking hours

Middle Managers in shambles over this

“But how will I get my rocks off to knowing I can strangle my underlings with infinite meaningless metrics‽”

Sakychu ,

/c/RareInterrobang

krashmo ,

Is it really a widespread thing for people to get in trouble for not doing this? I’ve never answered an email or phone call while off work or on vacation and not once has anyone brought it up. The only people I see doing this are the people that do it of their own free will.

TexasDrunk ,

I used to get in trouble for missing calls and texts out of hours because they expected it. They expected it because I usually answered. I stopped and got in trouble a few times. Then they started calling someone else.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Likely you’ve suffered in less noticeable ways, like delays in promotion or pay increases

Viking_Hippie , (edited )

Is it really a widespread thing for people to get in trouble for not doing this

Yeah it is. Remember the whole “quiet quitting” bullshit panic? That was about people doing this and bosses (plus the pro-corporate billionaire-owned mainstream media) pretending that it was the death knell of businesses.

I’ve never answered an email or phone call while off work or on vacation and not once has anyone brought it up

Good. That’s exactly how it should be. If they’re not paying you for it, you’re not on call. That should be a given.

The only people I see doing this are the people that do it of their own free will

Unfortunately, that’s far from true. Lack of regulations. An obscene power imbalance stemming mainly from lack of unionization. A business culture that heavily encourages ruthless exploitation.

These conditions combine to make many if not most bosses abuse their workers in any and every way not specifically illegal and oftentimes even THAT doesn’t stop them.

This law and effective enforcement of it is VITAL for labor rights and the mental health of workers

guyrocket , to Work Reform in Historic change for tipped workers: Subminimum wage to end in Chicago restaurants, bars
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This is how it always should be. There is no good reason for employers to pay less if someone makes tips. It is stealing...whatever the law says.

pdxfed ,

When I started learning about 7i it blew my mind being from the West Coast. Incredibly horrific piece of law.

BananaTrifleViolin ,

Yeah we had this in the UK for a time when minimum wage was introduced. Up until about 2008-2009 when it was finally changed so that employees had to have minimum wage regardless of tips the hospitality industry didn't collapse despite the noise made in the right wing press.

However we now have issues with employers stealing tips from employees via various dodgy practices. The law is likely to change again here to protect tips too.

Chicago are making a step in the right direction but employees will still lose out of tips aren't protected too

guyrocket ,
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I (almost) always tip in cash. I hope this lowers the chance that an employer can intercept it.

Son_of_dad ,

They should have raised their wages more and done away with tipping though

WhatsThePoint , to Work Reform in On the heels of historic Volkswagen union vote, Starbucks asks Supreme Court to curb labor's power

Why I stopped going to Starbucks.

SuperSecretThrowaway ,

I still go to Starbucks. Those workers sure know how to throw a picket line, I can't pass up going to a good strike!

Ledivin ,

I stopped because their coffee is all burnt to hell and their workers won't even eat their food when it's free.

Starbucks used to be decent, but at this point anything local will cost half as much and be 100x better. He'll, even a smaller chain will be 10x better - Peet's is my example.

spider , (edited ) to Politics in Trump's former lawyer was indicted in Georgia. She wants his defense funds to pay her legal fees.

Smart enough to be a lawyer, yet dumb enough to not understand that loyalty with Trump is a one-way street.

rockSlayer , to Work Reform in Joe Biden is old. So is Donald Trump. So are millions of other American workers

That's the real crime. Leaders can be old. Workers should never be forced to be old.

seaQueue ,
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You mean working until you drop dead isn't normal in a civilized country? /s

sik0fewl ,

One still works because they can't let go of power, the other works because they need to survive.

g0d0fm15ch13f , to Work Reform in California law would give employees the 'right to disconnect' during nonworking hours
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Imagine what hellscape would need this to be a law

AdamEatsAss ,

Welcome to the “land of the free”.

Ultragigagigantic ,
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Signtist ,

Ultimately, it should be a law. Companies will always want to exploit their workers whenever possible, and the entire point of a government is to enforce the will of the people against things like corporations that are too big for any single person to fight. It’s basically the concept of “If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear,” but applying it to companies instead of people, because the people should be free, not the corporations.

spaceghoti , to Politics in Trump's former lawyer was indicted in Georgia. She wants his defense funds to pay her legal fees.

Giuliani is begging for Trump’s help to pay his legal fees, and he’s not getting it. Trump won’t take care of anyone but Trump. And Ivanka.

NumbersCanBeFun , (edited )
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  • Neato ,
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    I'm guessing Trump is betting on a conviction but having his sentence just be house arrest. And if they don't take away his phone, not that much difference than his current life sans touring. And if he wins the Presidency, obviously his sentence must be halted. Or just interpret the "house" as the white house and all presidential property or some shit.

    echodot ,

    I don’t understand how the US constitution allows a convicted felon to be president.

    What’s it even for if it allows that?

    Countess425 , (edited )
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    There are certain crimes at certain levels that bar one from running for office; attempted coup and dissemination of national secrets to our enemies being some of the reasons to exclude one from seeking/holding office, and such charges account for 3 of his 4 current cases. The hush money to Stormy Daniels/campaign finance violations are likely not enough to keep him from office.

    Edit: Also our judicial system is based on the premise that one is innocent until proven guilty, so just being charged with a crime is typically not enough to level punishments as if one had been convicted yet. It’s supposed to make him an undesirable candidate, but decorum doesn’t matter anymore all of a sudden. 🤷‍♀️

    Bread ,

    The same way game developers miss game breaking bugs when you do bizarre things to achieve them. It happens because who the fuck would ever think of that until some crazy person goes and does it?

    Like jumping between parallel universes in super Mario 64. It is so unexpected you don’t plan for it. If even if they did, why would any prison bound candidate have any chance of winning under any normal circumstances?

    argv_minus_one ,

    What if some tyrants take over and make it a federal felony to run against them? That’s how Putin stays in power. But if being a convicted felon doesn’t stop you from taking office, then the tyrants can’t use that to keep themselves in power.

    Boddhisatva ,

    The vast majority of felonies should not be a bar to holding public office. What if you had a felony conviction for possession of weed? Should that bar you from holding office or should you be allowed to run for office to try and change an unjust law?

    The only crimes that should bar one from office are the ones that already do under the 14th Amendment, under which Trump should already be ineligible. He swore an oath to defend the Constitution and then participated in a conspiracy to violently overthrow it.

    Countess425 ,
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    If he wins the Presidency, he will pardon himself and likely install himself imperator or some shit.

    floofloof ,

    Impratbvefe

    hillbicks ,
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    If he gets convicted on Georgia, only the prison board of Georgia can pardon him, not even the Governor has that kind of power on georgia.

    droans ,

    161 different acts of racketeering and/or acts to further the conspiracy.

    And all the prosecutor needs to prove is two acts of racketeering. The false statements alone are obvious enough.

    Treczoks ,

    Maybe Ivanka. If dropping her into the hole would save his ass, I would not bet on her future to be good.

    extant ,

    Nah, he’d help Ivanka if she agreed to terms I’m sure. Ivana on the other hand is going to end up in a hole on a golf course with the other one.

    _sideffect , to Work Reform in California law would give employees the 'right to disconnect' during nonworking hours

    I never give my personal phone number to coworkers, and my work laptop is shut down for the night

    some_guy , to Work Reform in California law would give employees the 'right to disconnect' during nonworking hours

    California trying to make life better for workers. I’m here for it.

    gravitas_deficiency , to Politics in Trump's former lawyer was indicted in Georgia. She wants his defense funds to pay her legal fees.

    Lmao the fact that she says that makes me think she’s never met him

    btaf45 OP , to Politics in Trump's former lawyer was indicted in Georgia. She wants his defense funds to pay her legal fees.

    LMFAO! Another case where Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump's lawyers now need their own lawyers. And he is too cheap to pay for his lawyer's lawyers.

    niucllos ,

    He rarely pays his own lawyers, why the heck would he pay anyone else’s?

    BallsandBayonets , to Work Reform in California law would give employees the 'right to disconnect' during nonworking hours

    None of these laws would be necessary (I would hope) with a proper safety net (universal healthcare, UBI, etc). A job does something shitty, you can afford to leave! When we support people we empower them to stand up for themselves.

    At least, these are the things I think about as my “no one wants to work anymore” boss rants at me about how everything would be better if the government wasn’t involved in capitalism.

    Mostly_Gristle ,

    I’m pretty sure that’s the exact reason why we don’t have those things. Harder to exploit people when they’re not scared and desperate.

    mydude , to Work Reform in Joe Biden is old. So is Donald Trump. So are millions of other American workers

    I don't like this headline because it implies that Joe Biden and Donald Trump are, or ever has been, a worker...

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