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skillissuer , in Are there any mods in here?
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You can nag admins of an instance to appoint new mods

Pons_Aelius OP ,

Nah, the mag is not that important.

Unsub and block seems to be the only effective approach.

thingsiplay ,
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@Pons_Aelius We could migrate RedditMigration to a new "NeoRedditMigration". :D

thingsiplay , in Are there any mods in here?
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@Pons_Aelius I was reporting the posts previously, but gave up.d

Pons_Aelius OP , (edited )

Yep. the mods are mia.

The spam here is getting out of hand. A mag with ~20,000 subs and zero mods...

random is a cess pit as well.

Pons_Aelius OP , in Are there any mods in here?

No, both mods have no activity for months.

Well, another mag to block.

Maeve , in Hemodialysis and Peritoneal Dialysis Market: Unleashing Dynamic Approaches to Foster Sustainable Growth

An older friend (70) and I were discussing treatment vs cure over the weekend where the topic of money and Cuba came in play.

HumbleHobo , in Reddit faces content quality concerns after its Great Mod Purge
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I’m sad because the fediverse wasn’t necessarily equipped to handle the influx of new people or accomodate all the outgoing mods. It should have been a moment to bring everyone over here, but sadly, even now I’m seeing the drop-off of usage of many of my fediverse hangouts. :(

CoffeeAddict ,
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There is truth to this. But, Reddit’s drama also put the spotlight on the fediverse and the need for alternatives to Reddit in general. Personally, I can say I did not even know it existed. Over the last ten-or-so years, Reddit really did develop a monopoly on forums. The progress we have seen with Kbin, lemmy, etc is because of their heavy-handed and poorly executed crackdown on third-party apps.

But still, you are correct that the fediverse was not yet a full-fledged alternative to Reddit in June. Many lemmy clients, such as Memmy or Mlem, were not ready yet. And most promising Kbin client, Artemis, is still in beta as well. Even Kbin itself is still technically a beta (not that I don’t love them both lol). Had all of these been ready in June, then I think the Reddit exodus would have been much more dramatic and impactful.

I think we need to give it a bit more time. After all, Reddit didn’t get huge overnight either. So long as we keep posting and commenting away, and create environments/communities that are welcoming, we should be able to eventually grow into something that can rival Reddit.

Madison_rogue ,
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Since moving to kbin.social from Reddit I have been 10 times more active in posting because I want the platform to be successful and engaging. It's been a very refreshing change, but it only works if you participate.

raze2012 ,

We can't fix what happened. The June fiasco brought attention to the Fediverse and it provided a boost. A boost the fediverse wasn't fully equipped for, but a boost nonetheless.

The best thing to do is prepare for the next fiasco. And given "Reddit pays you for updoots" is still incoming, there will be a next fiasco. Make sure bugs are fixed, be able to point to some apps or alternative views that people made, and overall be a smoother transition than what was before.

Peacemeal12 , in Instance Assistant v1.2.5 released: You can now generate posts for Lemmy/Kbin, search for posts, and redirect posts from foreign instances
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Respect!

detalferous , in Reddit faces content quality concerns after its Great Mod Purge
InLikeClint , in Reddit faces content quality concerns after its Great Mod Purge
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Minus the smaller subs I visit because of availability, I barely visit there any more. Look at r/all, it's old ass headlines from 18 hours ago.

mr_bubbles , in Reddit faces content quality concerns after its Great Mod Purge

Oh, no! Anyway...

nicetriangle , in Reddit faces content quality concerns after its Great Mod Purge
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Equal parts hilarious and depressing to read.

Real shame what's become of reddit and where it'll probably go from here.

abff08f4813c , in Fediverse won't replace Reddit as long as Lemmy is the main platform being promoted

kbin is newer and less polished. But yeah I personally recommend kbin over lemmy for exactly the reasons you posted.

tbird83ii ,

Also, the Kbin dev expressly stated he isn't ready for a massive migration, and the current influx has caused him no end of stress. We want to keep him around and not drive him insane.

BedSharkPal ,

I would argue we also don't want to be in a place where we rely on any one individual. Thankfully @ernest seems to understand that as well.

ernest ,
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I appreciate the concern, and it seems to me that kbin is no longer just one person ;) Currently, kbin is a team of wonderful people who handle development work, devops, project management, and more. Additionally, Piotr helps me with administering kbin.social. There will be significant changes here soon, things are happening quickly. But to be honest, I wasn't fully prepared for such substantial growth, and it will probably take some time before everything stabilizes. But... this is just the beginning ;) What's important is that the snowball starts rolling, regardless of whether kbin, Lemmy, or Mastodon gains the most users. We all win in this situation.

ferallettuce ,

@ernest

@Fizzee @abff08f4813c @tbird83ii @BedSharkPal

Given that Kbin has more active users in the past month than any lemmy instance, I’m sure it’s been wild for you considering this was a side project.

ernest ,
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Yeah, the pace is still crazy, but it's a completely different mental comfort when you're aware that you're not alone ;)

DracolaAdil ,
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Yup, we are all with you dude!

Varwin ,

Java Dev here if there’s anything I can contribute with a couple hours a week!

Pamasich ,
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kbin is written in PHP, but if you want to contribute, it's opensource on codeberg.

metaStatic ,

Java Dev

My condolences

joost ,

r/ProgrammerHumor… Oh oops, old habit.

tjhart85 ,
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We have an m/ProgrammerHumor !

metaStatic ,

hashtags work in the fediverse

tal ,
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Kbin is PHP/Symfony, but people are writing tools in various languages, not to mention clients. I haven't looked at the client repositories, but I assume that some, if not all, of the codebases for them are Java.

Rayspekt ,

And my axe!

HappySerf ,

Reddit really is here

Doggo ,
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Let me know if you need some more coffee!

;)

To everyone who may wish to, if you want to support ernest see below link.
https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin

BEEKAYRANDEE ,

The thing that helps Kbin the most is that it is, by far, the easiest to understand. Googling "Lemmy fediverse" gives a bunch of various links to other Lemmy instances, which are presented in a way as if they are separated from one another. Kbin appears as one site, one location for content aggregation. Although that "goes against the idea" of decentralization, most users are currently looking for their "one home to replace their old one home". The more users flock to one area and learn how it works, the more things will begin to take their proper shape, so to speak.

rideranton ,
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A feature we'll definitely want to have with kbin in the future is the ability to migrate accounts to other instances. That would mean that even though we're centralizing on kbin.social right now, people could move to other instances and spread the load across the fediverse without losing their history

BEEKAYRANDEE ,

I'm still learning the ins and outs of this place and the others, but part of me thought that was the feature of being federated. User accounts could seamlessly transfer from one instance to another.

Looking further into it, it looks like that feature exists for content, but not so much for accounts.

tal ,
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You can access content from an account anywhere, but not migrate the account.

Steampunk ,
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Love you, Ernest 💕

midas ,

Wishing you the best of luck, hoping Kbin succeeds! It has everything to be a great platform for the long run.

hovster9 ,
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Don't become like those overlords. Stay down to Earth with the rest of humanity.

PlagueShip ,

Kbin doesn't have the ability to sort comments by top. To me, that is the #1 most important feature, and not having it when it's easy to do shows some real ignorance. The reason I come to these sites is to see the best comments on news of the day.

EntasaurusWrecked ,

@PlagueShip

@Fizzee @abff08f4813c
It’s new, it takes time… Reddit wasn’t Reddit at first, either

Briguy24 ,

12 years ago reddit would crash all the time. To make it worse they always told me I was the one who broke reddit personally by putting a message on my screen. My bad yall.

loobkoob ,
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Yeah, I always thought it was a little unfair when it popped up telling me that "Briguy24 broke reddit!". But I never held it against you, don't worry :)

Stern ,
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reddit used to not have comments or even subreddits (Among the first ones were r/programming and r/NSFW, fwiw).

MrGG ,

Well good news, friend! Here is the kbin source code. Since it's so easy to do I look forward to seeing your pull request sometime today 😀

ernest ,
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Top sorting is already available on the testnet. It will be further improved over time.
https://lab2.kbin.pub/

Calcharger ,
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@plagueship Just so you know, the main dev @ernest replied to your concern

holycrapwtfatheism ,

To each their own but sometimes it's nice to just scroll through comments and see the varied replies instead of just fed the top/earliest on some posts. Imo it increases user engagement.

TelKaivokalma ,
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"..shows some real ignorance"?

Brother, acting like a douche to people who are working and paying for you to be here shows some real arrogance. You're not a customer here. There's no ad revenue, no data collection, no money. If you want it so bad then do it yourself. Beauty of the fediverse is you can go make your own instance that does what you want it to do.

olrik ,
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"No money" well, there can be some if you donate to https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin as per the About page at the bottom of the page.

awsamation ,
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Even with the donations I doubt there's that much of a profit to being made. Servers are expensive, and there's no way that servers are the only overhead that ernest is dealing with.

Can_you_change_your_username ,

His own knowledge, skills, abilities, and time are almost certainly worth more than he is receiving in donations. Dudes a skilled programmer/developer and is putting serious work into this. If he was putting his time and effort into freelance work instead he'd be building a heck of a nest egg.

patchw3rk ,
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@BestOf might be of interest. The community sifts through the junk to share the most insightful comments.

Crankpork ,

Less polished, but the browsing experience is better and more customizable than any Lemmy instance I've been on so far.

unsophisticated , in PSA: while upvoting exists, to get the "move closer to the top" effect that reddit's upvote had, you need to click boost

Horrible idea. No one sees this button, no one knows what it does, and upvotes definitely should have that effect.

Calcharger ,
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Ernest is likely working on it

fartsinger ,

We talking P. Worrell or the developer guy?

Calcharger ,
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Developer guy

Ashyr ,

I'd give anything to have Ernest P. Worrell back and on the case.

DpwnShift ,
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Vern?

NetHandle ,

But is he... earnestly working on it?

melroy ,
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well he did fix the reputation calculations.. https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/pulls/462

theodewere ,
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that would be disastrous, and just serve to make sure this platform ends up like reddit

PazuzusRevenge ,

Agreed. I upvoted AND boosted your comment for redundancy.

Kichae ,

They're not redundant functions. They're... Mixed up on kbin right now, because things were originally built with the up button boosting content, but that's incongruent with how Lemmy does it, so it was changed.

But boosting isn't really about sorting at all. It's about republishing content, so that it can be sent out to instances that have started following a group after the content was originally posted.

ShadowRam ,

I believe it is more akin to 're-tweeting' for your followers.

All boosts you boost are not private and everyone can see everything you have boosted

Phlogiston ,

This makes sense — but if nobody knows it there is lots of room for confusion.

“Boost” seems more like “updoot” than “retweet“. Perhaps more importantly why would one retweet a comment? Rather than a post?

Kichae ,

Perhaps more importantly why would one retweet a comment? Rather than a post?

The way content propagation works here is that someone using Website A follows a remote content source (either a user, or a group -- aka a "community" or a "magazine"), and the remote hosting website (let's call it Website B) sends all subsequent content from that source to Website A, where the requesting user can then view it. If someone from Website A was already following that content source, then they get to see all of the content that Website A had already received, and benefit from earlier users efforts. But if that person was the first from Website A to subscribe to that content source, then they only get future content.

It's very similar to a, well, a magazine subscription in that way. NatGeo isn't sending you their 150 years worth of back catalogue when you subscribe in 2023 (not that you should bother subscribing to NatGeo in 2023).

The 'boost' button republishes content, though. Posts, comments, whatever. Hitting 'boost' on a comment republishes it, and once republished the group actor (the little bot-like construct that functionally is the group) sees it as new content, and pushes it out to everyone following it. This means it will reach websites that started subscribing to the group after the comment was originally posted.

Boosting is how older content (where older basically means "from anytime before literally right now") spreads through the fediverse.

Sorchist ,

So this is one of those things like git, where you can't explain how it works on the surface to a normal person because it barely even makes sense if you don't know about the underlying plumbing. :\

Not awesome, but I guess that's what you get when you graft a reddit-like experience onto a fediverse that was more or less invented for microblogging.

density ,
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is following individuals a common thing on lemmy/kbin?

on reddit ti was possible but virtually nobody did it. all about the community not "influencers".

What I want to do is sho approval to the OP and make the post more likely to float to the attention of someone who will want it..

UnshavedYak ,

Yea, i'm working on my own Fedi software and i'm struggling with the point of boosting in the link aggregator context. It's an odd overlap with Reddit-style reposting to appropriate subs, but based on the user.

It makes sense in the Twitter UX, but i struggle to find it's place in the Reddit UX.

luna ,

I think boosts have potential to be used for crossposts, and the current implementation are just crossposts to your profile. Though they're likely here right now just because Kbin is a mix between thread and microblog software

Kichae ,

Boosting is super important in all contexts in the Fediverse.

When am instance subscribes to a content source - be that a user actor or a group actor - on behalf of a user, it only requests future content. Back catalogues are not fetched by default. Boosting re-publishes the content, so that it is received by new followers.

With a group actor, the boost triggers the actor to reboot the content itself, sending it out to new subscribers to the group, and filling in that back catalogue.

aidan ,
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I like this comment but I don’t know what im supposed to do about it

blazera ,
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if old content isnt fetched for a newly subscribed instance to see, how are users going to boost that content in the first place?

Kichae ,

Users who can see the content need to boost it?

Users who use the website that the community is hosted on have access to the full library of it. They need to boost stuff. And people who subscribe from remote sites need to boost older content that they've seen.

blazera ,
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but relevant users cant see it, its never fetched for them to see it. Sure users on the home instance can see it, but they're on the home instance, it's already fetched for them. Ive run into this problem on here, where there is a lot of content on other instances that isnt visible from kbin. I have the option of visiting the home instance to see it, but it takes me completely off of kbin, I cant boost it from that page.

Kichae ,

Someone just needs to follow. The community owner either needs to seed the community to big instances using accounts on them, or people who find the community via other instances need to subscribe and know that fresh content will come. Then they can boost older content from the hosting site.

Things take some conscious effort here. That isn't necessarily a bad thing.

blazera ,
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"Then they can boost older content from the hosting site." No that's the problem. Like you yourself said back catalogues arent fetched. They can't see the older content to be able to boost it, they'll only see new content.

Kichae ,

If my instance follows a community at time t = T, and your instance starts following it at time t = T+10, I can boost content posted between T and T+9 so that you can see it.

Meanwhile, if people on the hosting instance boost things posted from times earlier than T, we both get to see them. Then, once they're visible to us, we can continue to boost them for new instances to see.

Johngi ,

If boosting is meant to be a solution to the back catalogue problem, then it's a horrible way to do it. You'd have to go through and boost every single post from before the hosting instance was followed, and then it'd only show up the user page of the guy who went to all of that effort? (or, realistically, bot).

If what I'm saying is accurate (and I'm still not sure because this is admittedly a bit too complicated for me) then it doesn't sound very useful since individual profiles aren't nearly as important in a forum context when compared to something like twitter, and especially when you can just upvote something and have that show on your profile. Unless I'm mistaken and anything you've upvoted doesn't propagate to another automatically instance while boosts do... but I don't think that's a big enough distinction to have two different buttons? You could just have an upvote also do that.

Kichae ,

then it'd only show up the user page of the guy who went to all of that effort?

Where are you getting that impression from?

FaceDeer ,
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I see it as similar to the "save" function on Reddit, except it's public. I've started using it on things that I think I might like to read again later (and so by extension anyone who's "like me" would probably want to read it too).

TwistedTurtle ,

I literally do not see this boost button anywhere. I just spent 2 minutes mousing over every button around your comment and I cannot find it.

artillect ,
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Boosting is only available on kbin

DougHolland ,

"Boost" comes across as a bug, not a feature. People should have one vote, not two.

theodewere , (edited )
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i disagree, it's a great functionality that people should learn.. and here's the simple point.. you can BOOST a comment you disagree with, so that your argument AGAINST the comment will get more visibility.. reddit is dysfunctional, and this mechanism can help fix one of the problems reddit cannot get rid of.. this mechanism can help discussion, and fight against things like brigading..

think about it a minute.. someone makes a really TERRIBLE point that you can dismantle easily.. tear it down, and BOOST the hell out of it.. reddit cannot accommodate that.. keeping those two functions separate is critical..

this will help keep every thread from becoming a popularity contest that is entirely predictable, once people figure it out

edit to add: i've only been using this platform for a few days.. but i promise you, it works the way it's supposed to.. try it out..

Neato , in New kbin user guide (preparation for impending wave of reddit migrants in July)
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Isn't there already an app called kbin? It advertises itself at the bottom of kbin.social in mobile.

CarlsIII , in New kbin user guide (preparation for impending wave of reddit migrants in July)

@Friend. Do you have any tips for being able identify which instance a post is from? The “@**.” part of an instance name is usually cut off, and often the post title will say “kbin.social” next to it even if it’s not a kbin post. The only way I know for sure to tell is to click on a post and scroll past all the comments.

Edit: for example, this post: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/100869/YSK-If-you-make-popcorn-in-a-pot-on-the

The post title clearly says kbin.social next to it. By he community label just says “youshouldknow.” It looks the same way from my home page: The only reason I know it’s actually on Lemmy.world is because I scrolled past all the comments, and also it’s in the url (which i am only looking at here because I copied and pasted the direct url for the post.)

Edit 2: I should probably also clarify that I am on mobile, so mouse-over’s are a no-go.

cendawanita ,
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@CarlsIII try click on More at the original post and select Copy to Fediverse. That'll get you the originating url. This works for every type of post and comment.

@Friend

CarlsIII ,

@cendawanita

@Friend

Again, this is all way more work than it would be if the post just showed the instance in the first place. I already know I can find out what instance if I do some scrolling and clicking. I would prefer to just have the “@beehaw.org” added to the community name in the post (and to not display “kbin.social” on posts that aren’t even from kbin. I still haven’t heard an explanation for that.)

HotDogFingies , in Tundra for Kbin an Android native client
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I will watch your career with great interest.

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