Kusimulkku ,

I’m so fucking tired reading articles about boomers this, millenials that, zoomies this.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

All I see is author projection.

Dagwood222 ,

What you’re seeing is the result of decades of Reaganomics coming home to roost.

Look up Hunter’ Thompson’s book about the “Hell’s Angels.” There’s a chapter on the economics of being a biker/hippie/artist circa 1970.

A biker could work six months as a Union stevedore and earn enough to live on the road for two years, and a part time waitress could support herself and a musician boyfriend.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

a future-of-work expert

Saw the writing on the wall and just invented a new job.

Gork ,

“Robots are taking our jerbs”

leo ,
@leo@lemmy.l0l.city avatar

I wish I had that kind of foresight

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

i remember reading similar headlines about millenials… this bullshit is always targeted at young adults, and its always the same superficial “analysis”

Shapillon ,

from a “future of work expert”

bAZtARd ,

A guy from my wife’s age group is a federal government advisor regarding future of work. He has never worked a day in a proper job at a company. Only academics and politics.

Shapillon ,

To me it reeked more of tv expertness than anything else. Usually real academics are tamer in their assertions and have pretty solid conclusions.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Corporate America is a shit lifestyle and double digit iq is enough to realize that.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

I mean I’m GenX, and I’ve been fired from three different jobs for reasons beyond my control.

The concept of working for one company for your whole career, getting promoted to a high paying position, retiring with a healthy pension simply no longer exists anymore. You can work hard and do everything right, even be in a division that’s making money and you still might lose your job simply because laying off employees looks good to the shareholders.

But it’s all the fault of the young people! You just need to work harder… on your LinkedIn profile because what you do for the company you’re at right now doesn’t matter, it’s what it looks like you do that matters more now.

Ragerist ,
@Ragerist@lemmy.world avatar

The company I work for had record earnings recently and there were high spirits, long praising newsletter from the CEO. Praise for maintaining a very stable production and higher output with fewer people than competitors.

Until our closest competitors reported their earnings. Which were higher, not surprising as they are bigger than us. Then it was doom and gloom

All of a sudden we had to have substantial budget cuts, and couldn’t rehire to fill a position for someone who had left.

Crazy huh, earned a boatload of money, but someone else earned a bit more. So then we have to cut expenses and optimize.

They still had the audacity recently to try to push the company “spirit and mindset” to employees. Something something buzzwords…

They will still discard you as fast as yesteryears iPhone.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yup it’s all the fault of Jack Welch. He worked at GE and company culture at the time was to be proud of the number of employees they had. Some companies were proud that they never laid anyone off even during the great depression. They proudly took a loss rather than lay off anyone.

So Jack works his way up the ranks of GE which is how things worked back then. He got all the way to the top of this great company that was proud of his employees. And as soon as he was CEO he started laying everyone off. And the stock price of GE soared.

Ever since then that’s what every CEO tries to emulated. The stock market sees the CEO emulating Jack Welch and buy buy buy.

But it’s all short term thinking. Products get worse and worse, nobody give a shit about their job, work doesn’t get done. But just blame the employees and do another layoff.

Jack Welch fucked us all, but very few people even know his name.

CerineArkweaver ,

Behind The Bastards did a series on him. And fuck Jack Welch

assassin_aragorn ,

“We care about you until you start underperforming during a global pandemic because of mental health. Then fuck you”

It’s easy to tell when a company actually is serious about caring about employees. Our executives took $0 bonuses last year so employees could have normal bonuses, and they bought everyone a free turkey for Thanksgiving. Our financials aren’t the best right now, but we still have a 401k match and all our benefits, and they’ve frozen hiring so they don’t have to do layoffs. Our CEO chats with us weekly and takes questions, and he tells us to not worry about the stock price. We do good work, and success will follow, he says.

Anecdotally, I had a serious health issue at the beginning of this year, and my boss told me to take off all the time I needed. I’m still on leave through the rest of the month, no questions asked. My previous company had people like that, but they weren’t supported by HR policies.

I’m still very wary however, because it doesn’t take long at all to get screwed over.

pkill ,

what thinly veiled parochial mentality, isn’t it?

TCB13 , (edited )
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

And then you’ve the fucktards who say in the WEF and other places that “people have to suffer” in order to be more productive / want to work.

They have seen the legacy of all these broken promises. In the old days and in many parts of the West, they would promise you if you worked for 30 years, you have this defined benefit pension, you have retiree medical care, etc. None of that exists today.

But at the end of the day it was the same fucktards who broke the social contract when it comes to work and benefits.

I’m only as good as the value I’m delivering today, and so these are the terms under which I want to work, and you either meet them or not.'"

That’s the right approach to the job market and I’m not even Gen Z. The current state of things, like expecting people to work multiple jobs, underpaying, firing to then hire at half the rate, constant layoffs, unreasonable demands and managers it’s all bullshit that people can’t stand anymore.

numerous Gen Zers are “quiet quitting” and taking a step back at work because they’re painfully aware that their hard work could essentially amount to nothing.

When a employers and governments “loudly quit” on people’s life’s and expectations that’s what they get.

In one survey last year, 74% of managers said the generation was the most challenging to work with.

How many of those managers are 50+ years old, with all they ever wanted and a sense their hard work payed off?

sandevistan ,

Could amount to nothing

Read between the lines here, article writer 🥲, everything amounts to nothing. Nobody wants their life to pass by unlived

Old people are impossible to talk to, painfully neurotic and stupid and obsessed with collecting clothing and electronics. They have zero compassion. They know the social contract is broken and they keep telling us to make the same decisions as them knowing we will get nothing for it and die

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Old people are impossible to talk to, painfully neurotic and stupid (…) They know the social contract is broken and they keep telling us to make the same decisions as them knowing we will get nothing for it and die

I guess this is the story of Brexit? The UK shouldn’t have allowed people over 50 years old to vote on that referendum, because they aren’t likely so see the effects of the decision and they’re still delusional about a great empire that can stand alone while they watch American TV shows on a TV made in China and a chair designed in Sweden…

sandevistan ,

Well I’m American so maybe I should clarify only 10% of the people here even currently get to grasp the American dream and statistically it’s white people who get to be homeowners and live in the suburbs and be paranoid and rude to everybody including each other.

We are not doing well everything is falling apart infrastructure wise even in wealthy areas. You better be on the Amazon or Microsoft campus etc if you want it kept up.

Brexit is part of a larger pattern too, we’re basically trying to make Europe Asia-exit lol. And in the same way it will benefit Asia long run.

Meanwhile we try to turn you guys into Senegal #2, a source of crude oil to refine, and a market to buy our refined oil! As long as you continue to develop more drilling without refinement it’s the only way. Geopolitical economy 🗺️

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

We are not doing well everything is falling apart infrastructure wise even in wealthy areas.

Just to clarify I’m not American nor British and the situation here is mostly what you describe on that phrase. The European dream died before it even started.

sandevistan ,

Ah makes sense. Another example. We like completely destroyed German manufacturing with these energy prices in the process of trying to sever the region from Russia lol

noobnarski ,

I wouldnt say its the energy prices that are destroying German industry (I am German too), but the lack of innovation and way too much bureaucracy (and no, that doesnt mean we should lower emission standards, etc., but we should simplify processes and remove rules that serve no one).

sandevistan ,

It’s making it pretty non competitive and that makes things harder down the line, it’ll become more apparent bc it’s all about keeping up yeah? Same thing happening in USA, due to financialization of fuckin everything and wnting to export labor to countries we have the upper hand on

Look at the whole TSMC expansion debacle

sandevistan ,

“Old people” is pretty inaccurate but a lot of cool old people can be presumed to be dead as well

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

I guess this is the story of Brexit? The UK shouldn’t have allowed people over 50 years old to vote on that referendum, because they aren’t likely so see the effects of the decision and they’re still delusional about a great empire that can stand alone while they watch American TV shows on a TV made in China and a chair designed in Sweden…

Errrr, so let’s take away the right of people to vote when they hit the age of 50?

LOL, do you think we will be this relevant/irrelevant when we turn 50? Brexit was dumb as fuck but that doesn’t justify stripping away people’s rights.

sandevistan ,

They can’t be serious lol they’re just waffling nonsense

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

And I’m supposed to guess that how? From the /s they didn’t add to the end of their post, or?

sandevistan ,

Oh I wasn’t saying you were dumb, they’re dumb

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

No no, what’s your take on this? lemmy.world/comment/6915894

sandevistan ,

Dumb article that bowlderizes actual labor issues into stale generational politics takes that have been pushed by consultants since the 90s as blandly palatable fodder for this kind of writing.

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

That’s fair.

sandevistan ,

The generational politics thing irks me because it’s an example of advertisers openly trying to divide people’s families and yet that gets taken seriously by “muh family values” conservatives.

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Go look for stats on the referendum, if it wasn’t for the 50+ years old people the UK would still be in the EU. It’s not about “let’s take away the right of people to vote” it is about “how can we let people take vote for something that wont ever affect them either way?”. I bet there was someone voting to leave that died of old age the next day, should that person have as much voting power as someone who’s on their 30’s and had to live an extra 50 years with the fallout of the decidion?

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. Your right to vote doesn’t change based on how many days you have left to live. By this logic, maybe we should ban everyone with cancer from voting too?

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

doesn’t change

But maybe it should for certain subjects.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Good luck changing the world to the worse. I’m sure you’ll do a stellar job.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Old people are impossible to talk to, painfully neurotic and stupid

Could I ask, how old are you and why do you find it that way? :/ Never had this experience. Maybe my grandpa is a grumpy old fuck but otherwise “old people” are just “people”.

sandevistan ,

Old ppl in the suburbs lol, this only goes for a small subset. I’m reconsidering things after meeting potential inlaws tbqhbbq

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

So you mean, specifically older Americans (?) living in the suburbs?

Also again how old are you? A bit curious.

sandevistan ,

Yep. Early twenties. There are plenty of awesome old people in this country. Shitty paranoid homeowners who wpuld enjoy aprtheid south aftica congregate in suburbs

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like the coolest old people I have met were Americans who travel.

sandevistan ,

I hear Americans are the worst tourists lol, and the most likely to be there to buy a woman for that matter

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

No, none of the ones I saw in Europe.

sandevistan ,

A lot of the worst behavior is concentrated in regions people go for a discount like Bali Indonesia, India, Mexico, the Philippines, even Japan and SK, pretty much anywhere non European, I’m not surprised to hear you say that, because Euros and the upper class of saudi arabia and SK and aus and canada and US+NATO and europe is all alike in this way

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Funny, reminds me how some Swedish men fly to Thailand to do things they cannot easily/safely do in Sweden, like pay for sex or do drugs.

sandevistan ,

Thailand is a perfect example thanks forgot to mention that.

We also can kind of offer high end “vice services” like gambling and debauchery and whatnot to the elite of gulf states even better if they’re very conservative and we can blackmail the hell out of them afterwards. The elite of the world coming to Las Vegas and Dubai and Thailand and Bali alike I mean

Illuminostro ,

He thinks anyone over 25 is old.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

I feel sad for people who cannot relate to other age groups :(

Dagwood222 ,

In 1960, minimum wage was $1.00/hour and the price of the average home was $11,000.00. Of course people wanted to work hard and save, because they could see that it paid off almost instantly.

BTW, in 1960 $1 million would buy a mansion, a few nice cars, and a couple of businesses. Today, it’s what a rich guy pays for a party.

DerisionConsulting ,

I wanted to see a graph, and couldn’t find one online.

It looks like, at least in the middle of Canada, being born between 1960 and 1980 was the ideal time if you wanted to buy a home.

This doesn’t take into account mortgage rates, tax rates, average household income, unemployment rates, or other cost of living expenses.
I just wanted a little chart, not to lose my whole day

In the middle of Canada; Winnipeg, MB:

Year Minimum wage House price Price/wage (lower is better)
1960 $0.66 $15,151 22,956
1970 $1.50 $51,678 34,452
1980 $3.15 $53,513 16,988
1990 $4.70 $87,173 18,547
2000 $6.00 $95,520 15,920
2010 $9.50 $231,411 24,359
2020 $11.90 $299,994 25,209

Lazy sources:
www.gov.mb.ca/labour/standards/history-min.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3TKC-H0omc
www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/…/dq980512-eng.htm

ShaggySnacks ,

Minimum wage had an increase of 1,703%. Housing had an increase of 1,880%.

SuddenDownpour ,

That early minimum wage growth is huge. 2,5x during 1960-70, then 2x 10 years later. Imagine minimum wage being $30 by 2030, then $60 by 2040.

DerisionConsulting ,

If we wanted things to keep pace with the house price to wage ratio of 1980(for people born in 1960), Minimum wage should’ve been $17.66 in 2020.

AngryCommieKender ,

In 1960 you could buy an estate in Beverly Hills, or La Jolla, for a cool $100,000

Delta_V ,

Also, nobody wants to hire anymore.

If employers get to say it when they can’t fill poverty wage positions, the rest of us get to say it when employers fail to offer 7 figure salaries.

z3rOR0ne ,
@z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml avatar

Pfft. This article isn’t nearly in depth enough on the topic.

How about the fact that minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation? How about the fact that social security and medicare will be gutted by the time they reach elder years? If they reach those elder years at all with all the homelessness, famine, drought, war, and genocide that is already here and creeping into even the most affluent parts of society?

When you ask why kids don’t want to work these days, perhaps you’re not asking the right question because the better question is so uncomfortable, you’d rather not ask it?

Cuz the better question is “Why would kids even want to live in this increasingly nightmarish world my and previous generations have all had a hand in creating?”

But hey, don’t worry about it. Just keep your head in the sand, keep removed about shit you don’t want to understand, and count your stock options, capitalism daddy. /s

SlopppyEngineer ,

Recently the boss asked since guy why he doesn’t put in more effort for the end of year evaluation and a promotion. Guy opens a spreadsheet that he’d been working on. It basically shows that even when he’d double his wage in that promotion, he still would not be able to afford a house and felt striving for a promotion in those circumstances didn’t matter much. The boss left.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

When you ask why kids don’t want to work these days…

It’s simple - just don’t ever ask:-). \s :-( 🥲

And yeah, the rate of suicide (including overdosing) is quite shocking. Or depending on who you ask I would guess, “excellent” (evil laughter while wringing hands). Factors like race or even class doesn’t seem to matter to them (edit: okay so they do matter, but it still happens across all of them) - globalization and mechanization means fewer workers are necessary, hence what is not necessary is irrelevant, to The (Illuminati’s) Machine, that cares only for survival of the fittest. :-|

Oh, and no - “keeping removed about shit” implies things like not actively voting to take away further rights & privileges. Roe v. Wade was just the start! Next are elections and democracy itself… I only wish I could add a /s here, but from the chatter… it’s no longer just a joking matter anymore? :-( That generation isn’t done yet it seems, implementing the will of whatever their chosen TV Man tells them to do:-(.

Like “You Must Bow Before the Will of God” - oh so you mean like care about people, taking care of widows & orphans, pay workers the wages they are due, always show kindness and compassion even to the undeserving, stuff like that? “No, I meant lower taxes on the top 0.0000001% - and also wipe my butt for me”. Ooookkkkkkaaaaayyyyyy then…

On the bright side, Gen-Z has stuff figured out - they know how to be happier, simply by not giving a shit:-D. Yes they will suffer - as will we all - but less so, having broken free from that horrible mindset that blinded their predecessors? :-)

some_guy ,

“Gen Z is catching on. Vilify them!”

Jakdracula ,
@Jakdracula@lemmy.world avatar

My grandfather was a soldier so my dad could be a farmer so I could be a poet.

xX_fnord_Xx ,

My grandfather was a garbage man so my father could be a fireman so I could stock grocery shelves whilst writing the Great American Novel on my days off.

_number8_ ,

it’s genuinely bewildering seeing someone my age talk about a ‘career’…like…what dude? oh maybe if i work hard the guy will shake my hand and give me a raise? do you live in a norman rockwell painting?

the_q ,

No one has ever wanted to work.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

This is a hot take. People have definitely wanted to work. The problem is now we don’t need to. There was a point that humans needed to work or we would not evolve as a species. There are many that took pride in being a part of that. Now that need has shifted into we could feasibly feed and shelter every soul on the planet and a few greedy fucks don’t know how to coordinate it with all their riches.

executivechimp ,
@executivechimp@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Depends what you mean by work. People always want to do things and create things and help others. They don’t want to spend 8 hours a day doing menial, meaningless crap just to be able live.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

My point is that they did. Back when there was a sense of accomplishment that added to the human existence. There was a sense of pride to a lot of workers in the 50s for many reasons. I do agree that it has changed. And a lot of it has to do with the rewards given. But they still exist.

the_q ,

I don’t think they have. I think they were made to labor under the whip or under a promise for something. You’re like that other guy thinking the guy cracking the whip or promoting the latest video game are “working”.

The freedom to pursue ones interests isn’t work.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

You make it sound like there is only dirt poor people forced to work or criminally rich people with “freedom to peruse their interests”

Somehow having a job you like in this situation makes it not work.

LOL, nah man, I found WORK and I like it and it’s still called WORK.

the_q ,

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

The idea that work stops being work if you enjoy it not something I can take seriously.

the_q ,

Working in a textile mill in 120 degree heat is work. It’s work no one wants to do. No one comes in and argues pedantically about “well I find sweating my ass off for minimum wage fulfilling”. That’s work.

Going into your temperature controlled office where you’re a CPA and get paid wonderfully and enjoy numbers isn’t the same thing at all.

The work I’m referencing is the bottom tier shit that without it the economy would crumble. Not your SEO manager bullshit job that you think you love cause you’re making 6 figures in a 5 figure town.

snek , (edited )
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Buddy, working in a textile mill in 48 °C is a safety hazard and modern slavery. You have a weird warped pedantic perspective on what work means. And somejow the rest of us should take the dictionary definition and throw it out of the window and instead adopt your made up definition that seems to only work in your head? 😬 No thanks.

The first is modern slavery. The second is work. Hope it helps! Cheers.

Ps: SEO manager? Clearly it was a mistake to engage you at all because you didn’t read squat shit of what I wrote. Note to the future: do not engage people who haven’t even read your own text, and don’t bother reading their text to the end. They are upset at a phantom in their heads, not you.

the_q ,

Yeah you’re definitely one of those people that talks louder than whoever they’re talking with and assumes they’re right. Enjoy your “work”.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

I am enjoying it, thanks.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Wow what a sweeping statement with no legs to stand on.

I love work. I worked (yes) quite hard to get a degree and become a developer and ML engineer. One day, I’d like to work in computational neuroscience. I hate so many things about work culture, but the work itself? Naaah, it’s awesome. I’d rather spend every day in this life working on something I love and have interested in, instead of going around making sweeping statements about the entire globe on the internet, incapable of accepting that not everyone is like me.

owen ,

Modern “work” does not involve doing something you’re passionate about or interested in for the vast majority of people…

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Yep so not “all” of them.

owen ,

Check out the term “hyperbole”

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Oh my oh my sorry for taking people in the internet at face value. Next time I’ll just guess what their thought process was and live my life based on that.

owen ,

Thanks but apology declined

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Here’s another one: I’m so sorry your life must really suck with work and all to the point that you can’t see other people enjoying it and where you feel the need to say they aren’t really “working” just because they found something they love and succeeded in navigating the shitty system (out or merit or luck or privilege, whatever) and you didn’t /:

We can all be on the same side. I hate modern work culture and I actively try to improve it and myself day after day. I’m sure you do too.

Could you accept that one too?

Cheers bud.

owen ,

No. Also, I like my job

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Of course you do 🙄

owen ,

?

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Nothing, I just totally believe you and agree with you. Have a nice day. ☺️

owen ,

You need to consider that most jobs out there are simply things that need to be done, not things that people are passionate about. Getting a higher eductation and a complex job is something for which I consider myself very lucky. I was born with all the opportunities to do so. Despite these privileges, I acknowledge that the people doing the fundamental, low level jobs deserve adequate compensation to lead a happy life

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

You need to consider that most jobs out there are simply things that need to be done

This was always my view. I don’t think I said anything at all that implies otherwise. So we already agree. My original comment was in response to someone saying no one ever in existence wanted to work. Surely you’ve met idiots on the internet and had to explain things to them before, no? Hard for me to assume they were using a literary device. I’d rather take them at face value.

Melatonin ,

Lol, good try at turning snek’s argument against him, but that was clearly sarcasm.

owen is the reason /s was invented.

owen ,

Burh. As if I would say “apology declined” in earnest

Melatonin ,

Cheating. This is akin to saying, “I was just kidding!”

owen ,

Cheating? This isn’t a game, it’s a conversation

Melatonin ,

Cheating. Changed the definition of the word “work”

the_q ,

Whatever you do isn’t work, buddy and you knew that before replying.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

It literally Is work, and you knew that before replying /: see we can both say shit like that.

the_q ,

You need it to be defined as work.

SuddenDownpour ,

I feel the same way.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Then get ready for lots of downvotes because apparently pointing out that someone made a sweeping generalization then telling the world you’re one of those few who enjoy their jobs means you deserve being downvoted to hell 😁

Melatonin ,

snek’s statement still stands. They announced they love work. It negates the prior statement. Why downvote then?

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

I thought this was Work Reform, not Anti Work 😭 my mistake

mo_lave ,

If you live in more ancient times, do you want to be a slave?

GrayBackgroundMusic ,

Soft disagree. I want to do meaningful work and interesting work. It’s boring bullshit getting 10 managers to approve a change when none of them know what I even do. I love working on my projects in my garage, or in my kitchen on baking something.

Kyrgizion ,

My stepfather worked his entire life like a goddamn donkey. Even when he was supposed to be on pension his old boss still called him and he actually went and worked for him for free. Today, he’s practically crippled from all the physical strain he put his body though. His ex-boss, meanwhile, is rich as fuck and doesn’t give a fuck, while my stepfather has the absolute minimum pension and no healthcare.

My grandparents, on the other hand, had a very different story. My grandfather worked for the same employer for 50+ years, never missed a day, and had a decent wage AND a pension which he could access at 55 years of age. They were the last generation to receive their part of the social contract, but the generation of my parents and myself are completely missing out.

Small wonder that the young’uns have eyes in their heads and the werewithal to say “No way, not for me!”.

ConstantPain ,

My work pays me to work from 9 to 5, which uses the best part of my day. I’m not giving anything more than that.

madcaesar ,

I’d even argue that’s too fucking much

ConstantPain ,

And I would agree! 4h top is all I need to do my daily job.

madcaesar ,

IMO the weekend should be longer than the fucking work week. We have this shit backwards. Work is 5 days and then we have barely 1 day to relax, since you need one of the weekend days for errands.

Cowlitz ,

I loved working 4 10s (and at that place it was more like 4 13s) because it gave 1 day to relax, 1 to run errands/go to weekday appointments, and 1 to clean the house/relax. Id much rather work longer 4 days a week and have an extra day off the workday is so long anyway especially with a commute that I can’t do anything after work anyway (and I was too tired to).

KevonLooney ,

If you work from home, you can do things during the work week too. Say you have a meeting where you only talk for 5 minutes. You clean or do chores the rest of the time. Just wear and earbud and put yourself on mute.

You can have your whole weekend off. I’m never going back to in office work unless the pay is doubled. It takes up all your time.

madcaesar ,

I know but that’s all still very stressful.

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