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themeatbridge , to Texas in Texas mom says police held her face in pile of fire ants, covering head and neck with hundreds of bite marks

Ruben Espinoza, the police chief for the Santa Fe Independent School District, told NBC affiliate KPRC of Houston that the video does not tell the full story of what happened.

The video where she's shown hog-tied face down in a pile of fire ants? Yeah, there's nothing she could have done that justifies what we see in the video. No criminal or suspect ever deserves police brutality, regardless of the crime.

elbarto777 , (edited )

Regardless on any crime whatsoever? Even murdering 1,000 families?

Edit: point taken.

WraithGear ,
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Its not supposed to be the police that metes out the punishment. They have a historically bad track record on the matter

swiftcasty , (edited )

Correct, not even for serial killers. Police are not judge, jury, and executioner. They apprehend suspects, and the courts first prove that the suspect did the crime beyond a shadow of a doubt, and then if found guilty the courts decide the punishment which cannot be cruel and unusual and the punishment must fit the crime. For murdering 1k families it would be life in prison or the death sentence.

When the justice system was founded it was established with a number one priority of protecting the innocent, with a priority of avoiding false convictions. Otherwise, a king with absolute authority could order you to be executed by pouring molten metal down your mouth and on your face for the crime of flipping him the bird. your neighbor accusing you of talking ill of the king even though you never said anything of the sort.

elbarto777 ,

True. Point taken.

dylanmorgan ,

The standard for criminal trials is “beyond a reasonable doubt.” There’s a whole speech in To Kill a Mockingbird about it.

mozz , to Texas in Texas mom says police held her face in pile of fire ants, covering head and neck with hundreds of bite marks
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  1. An "officer came running up to her vehicle yelling for her to stop. ... Rogers 'panicked and drove the wrong way' down a bus-only lane." Assuming that's accurate, then if the police tell you to stop, and you drive your vehicle away, they're probably going to get physical with you once they catch up to you. That's their job. Their only alternative to responding with physical force at that point is to just shrug shoulders and say "O well we tried" and let someone drive around "panicked" in unexpected places in an environment where little school children are walking around.
  2. I do not understand why it's difficult to find just the long, unedited cut of the bodycam footage of what happened. Every single video I was able to find is this weirdly intercut and looped version which focuses on the one part that everyone agrees happened, where you can't really see the context, and then it's overlaid over someone's interpretation of what happened, which is a whole bunch of irritating bullshit.
  3. With #2 in mind as a caveat, I think that reading between the lines, what happened is that they stopped her car by blocking it with their cars, pulled her out, put her on the ground to handcuff her, she started screaming about ants, and then after 13 seconds they pulled her up. Then she started struggling, and they put her back on the ground and held her there in the ant pile for a long time while they hogtied her, and that's where all the carpet of ant bites in the photo came from.
  4. I am far from an ACAB person, but I do not understand what goes on in US police training that if someone's actively struggling with you, you need to start hurting them until they calm down. I've seen this reaction over and over in police videos, and I think I have literally never once seen it be successful at the supposed goal. It's just not how people operate. I get it that you need to use force if someone's using force against the police to try to avoid getting arrested. That part actually makes sense to me. But the part where someone's resisting getting arrested, and the cops start hurting them and then usually seem for-real surprised that now they're struggling more, is genuinely confusing to me how they can't figure it out.
FlashMobOfOne ,
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I am far from an ACAB person, but I do not understand what goes on in US police training that if someone's actively struggling with you

They don't have to.

They enjoy it. The cruelty is the point.

ACAB

PriorityMotif ,
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Look up police use of the "wrist lock"

mozz , (edited )
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I don't need to; I'm already a connoisseur of Youtube videos with titles like "When entitled suspects attack" or whatever. My observation is that the wrist lock usually converts an angry and struggling person yelling "grahgabgbabrbrae" into an angry and struggling person yelling "grahbcdsbfsdhfbYOURE BREAKING MY ARMsdfkjsdflsdf"

Like I say, this might make me some kind of asshole in Lemmy-world but I am usually not on team suspect. I think if you drive away from the police, or start struggling when they try to put handcuffs on you, the police getting physical with you isn't automatically a sign that they're terrible people and ACAB. That is literally their job at that point, and you're definitely still going to get arrested, just with everyone's day including yours getting worse as a result, and more charges now maybe a felony. I feel like the whole ACAB mentality has blown up the few times a year that one cop somewhere in the country does something really fucked up into this idea that 100% of cops are terrible people and any situation that goes wrong in any way where they're involved is 100% their fault; I don't think that's true. But definitely I do feel like a cop approaching someone who's not on board with what's going on by punishing them and expecting them to get more on board with it as a result is weird.

(One guy had a series called "Verbal Judo" which I liked quite a lot)

PriorityMotif ,
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Police are taught to escalate situations and have a chip on their shoulder.

mozz ,
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Some of them. In my direct experience, the number who've behaved that way is 0, though.

I think taking the worst of the police that are findable in a whole country's worth of bodycam footage, and then assigning blame to every single police person based on those people, makes about as much sense as a policeman putting on an "ASAB" patch for "all suspects are bastards," because a certain subset of the people he encounters are pieces of shit, and then deciding that every single person on the "other side" that he interacts with is the enemy.

I mean, some police do do that. I don't think they should. I don't think either that every single person who chooses to do a vitally necessary job for a living becomes the enemy the instant they decide to do that.

Mango , to Texas in Texas mom says police held her face in pile of fire ants, covering head and neck with hundreds of bite marks

ACAB

return2ozma OP , to Work Reform in UAW loses Alabama union vote seen as bellwether for organizing autoworkers in the South
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MERCEDES-BENZ UNDER INVESTIGATION BY GERMAN GOVERNMENT FOR ILLEGALLY VIOLATING WORKERS RIGHTS AT ALABAMA PLANT

https://uaw.org/mercedes-benz-under-investigation-by-german-government-for-illegally-violating-workers-rights-at-alabama-plant/

xmunk , to Work Reform in UAW loses Alabama union vote seen as bellwether for organizing autoworkers in the South

Hey GOP dick riders. Corporations don't need your fucking help oppressing the proletariat.

PunnyName ,

They're literally in bed with each other. That's like telling individual parents they shouldn't buy clothes for their kids.

ChaoticNeutralCzech , to Work Reform in UAW loses Alabama union vote seen as bellwether for organizing autoworkers in the South

Why is there even a union vote? What is stopping some workers from banding together in a club, increasing their leveraging power as more choose to join?

shikitohno ,

Lack of legal recognition and protections? I'm not really aware of any states that have provisions to recognize a union that only comprises a quarter or a third of employees doing a specific job for an employer. Closest I've seen was places where different jobs were unionized and non-union positions, like one job where all the drivers got a union, but not any of the warehouse staff.

Boozilla , to Politics in Nikki Haley says she 'will be voting for Trump'
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Confirming what we already knew: she's a POS who will do anything in a weak attempt to be relevant.

adespoton , to Politics in Nikki Haley says she 'will be voting for Trump'

Thankfully I’ve already forgotten everything about her except for her name and that she’ll be voting for Trump.

So if anyone mentions her to me in the future, my only possible response will be “oh, that woman who voted for Trump?”

sanguinepar , to Politics in Nikki Haley says she 'will be voting for Trump'
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Feb. 29, 2016: At a rally for GOP Sen. Marco Rubio, who Haley had endorsed in the primary, Haley said of Trump, “I will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the K.K.K. That is not a part of our party. That is not who we are,”

Jan. 12, 2021: In an interview with Politico, Haley said of Trump, “We need to acknowledge he let us down. He went down a path he shouldn’t have, and we shouldn’t have followed him, and we shouldn’t have listened to him. And we can’t let that ever happen again.”

Source

Hey Nikki...

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e5a177e6-ad42-484c-a978-7f664cd044d5.gif

hanrahan , to U.S. News in Morgan Spurlock, documentary filmmaker behind 'Super Size Me,' dies at 53
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Since his dodco, McDoankds share.price has increased 1000% ,he was good.for business ?

e_t_ Admin ,

Are you having a stroke?

rwhitisissle , to U.S. News in Morgan Spurlock, documentary filmmaker behind 'Super Size Me,' dies at 53

Morgan Spurlock was not a great person (history of sexual misconduct) and his documentaries are deeply flawed, but Super Size Me is how I first learned about the federal corn subsidy, which contributed to the process by which fast food gradually became a calorie drenched bizzarro version of itself. So that's something.

Devi , to U.S. News in Morgan Spurlock, documentary filmmaker behind 'Super Size Me,' dies at 53

That's sad. Clearly the doc in question was a bit dodgy and sounds like other docs he did had issues, but either way that's super young.

autotldr Bot , to Politics in NAACP urges Biden to halt weapons to Israel and help end Gaza war

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The NAACP in a new letter has called on President Joe Biden to stop sending weapons to Israel and use the United States’ influence to end the war in Gaza.

“The stakes of this election couldn’t be higher, and with our communities, our democracy, and our freedoms on the line, our campaign is putting in the work to earn — not ask for — every vote,” she said.

Although the Israel-Gaza war is becoming increasingly important to Black voters, economic concerns are the group’s top issue when determining how they’ll vote in the November election, according to NPR.

Earlier this year, more than 1,000 Black pastors from churches across the country, spurred by their young parishioners, signed an open letter calling on Biden to push for a cease-fire, The New York Times reported.

Biden has been under increased pressure in recent months from politicians, college students, activists and others to secure a cease-fire and rescind financial support for the Israeli war effort.

In a poll by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in April, 68% of Black Americans said they wanted the U.S. to support a permanent cease-fire.


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davel , to Politics in NAACP urges Biden to halt weapons to Israel and help end Gaza war
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If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Palestinians, then you ain’t black. — Dark Brandon

atro_city , to Work Reform in California to become third state to mandate heat protections for indoor workers

Oregon and Minnesota are the only other states that mandate similar protections.

😱 3/50 states require employers to provide water, breaks and cool areas when indoor temperatures hit 28C???

The USA is third world country and first world country at the same time. Just fucking crazy.

seang96 ,

I worked at a warehouse once with a boiler that worked 40% of the time. We had below 0 degrees F once during a bad storm and we had high 90s in summers. Glad I left before the super El nino heat and glad I don't have that work environment anymore. To be fair it's probably also not the worst. Metal smelting plants probably can go 120+ easy.

originalfrozenbanana ,

My daughter’s daycare had to close yesterday because it was too hot in the building. They have air conditioning but only from window units

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

The term “third world” is no longer in use. The correct term now is a “developing nation.”

Yes, the US has been considered a developing nation since 2022.

In its global rankings, the United Nations Office of Sustainable Development dropped the U.S. to 41st worldwide, down from its previous ranking of 32nd. Under this methodology – an expansive model of 17 categories, or “goals,” many of them focused on the environment and equity – the U.S. ranks between Cuba and Bulgaria. Both are widely regarded as developing countries.

The U.S. is also now considered a “flawed democracy,” according to The Economist’s democracy index.

https://theconversation.com/us-is-becoming-a-developing-country-on-global-rankings-that-measure-democracy-inequality-190486

BottleOfAlkahest ,

OSHA has some protections regarding things like water access and such. But OSHA doesn't cover every industry.

Nachorella ,

To be fair it's not the sort of thing you think you'd have to make a law about. Should be kind of expected that companies do the bare minimum to keep their staff alive.

Passerby6497 ,

If we have learned anything in the last decade, its that you have to put common sense shit into law because if you don't, shitty corpos will abuse it to make line go up

Stern ,
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Safety regulations are written in blood.

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