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1chemistdown , to RedditMigration in Still yet another article listing Reddit alternatives, but surprisingly this one mentions both Lemmy & Kbin
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They totally miss that kbin federates with lemmy and mastodon whereas Lemmy doesn’t microblog. Also, the list 4chan as a Reddit alternative and 4chan is a cesspool.

d4rknusw1ld ,

I honestly have no idea what the difference beteeen kbin and lemmy is. I’m on Lemmy; what the hell is kbin?

1chemistdown ,
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Lemmy is a community led content aggregator similar Reddit. Mastodon is a microblogging platform similar to twitter.

Kbin combines the functionality of both and federates with both. Think of it as twidder or rettit. Insert a smash up yourself.

Lemmy was created by a couple pro-China pro-Putin “communists” and one of them is full on genocide of Uyghurs is not happening because they do not consider them people.

Kbin was created by someone who wanted a place for friends.

Do with that information what you will.

d4rknusw1ld ,

Wait a god damn minute… this is the first time I’ve heard of this China crap. Also… is there a kbin app yet? Benefit of Lemmy is useful apps.

Alto ,
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The Kbin API isn't public yet (though that's coming very soon), so as far as I'm aware there's no native Kbin apps as of yet. I know many Lemmy app developers have already said they're going to add Kbin compatibility once it's out, including the developer of Sync.

BionicHippo ,

There is an app that’s in beta testing for Kbin right now. It’s called Artemis and it’s really nice, even in the beta stage. I read there are plans for a public beta test soon.

1chemistdown ,
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@ArtemisApp is an app in beta right now by @harriet

As for lemmy. There is a lot to parse. It involves supporting tiananmen square massacre. Being kicked out of Reddit’s r/socialism for being too much for them in a militant way. That sub has pointed to many instances of support for genocide, how Russia is better off with Putin and how they’re defending their countries by killing any dissent. They’re known as tankies for their pro-tiananmen stance and how that saved China as a country.

Many defenders of lemmy say if that bothers you, just avoid their original instance or ones influenced/administered by them; but that both requires you to be aware of everything about them and all the lemmy instances,and it requires you to know that the instance you join has no further development by the creators of lemmy. Who updates the code? Who is the developer of this instance, and do they accept further stuff from the originators of this part of fedi.

Follow the rabbit hole

OpenStars OP ,
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Plus isn't there a link to donate to the original developers on all Lemmy instances? The "Support Lemmy" one I mean, unless an admin has modified the source code to remove that I suppose, and continue to do so each time they receive an update. That seems to bother many people as well, even being on a different instance that the original creators do not administer personally.

livus ,
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I'm talking to you from kbin.social right now.

It's like a lemmy but with some different features. Like, I can read and interact with mastodon users a bit from here as well.

OpenStars OP ,
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This article is posted from me with a kbin account, on a kbin magazine:-). The true beauty of the fediverse is that you need not care - like if I had a gmail account and you had a yahoo one, you could still receive the message despite being on entirely different servers.

Various Lemmy instances are part of the fediverse, and run the Lemmy code (various scripting languages - Rust, Actic, Diesel, Infero & Typescript). Each admin can do whatever, like modify the sourcecode, mess with their personal databases, etc., which can lead to different Lemmy instances using different versions of the sourcecode, which happened a few weeks ago and led to problems connecting when a new version became incompatible with the old.

Kbin is not a Lemmy instance though - it is a completely different implementation built from the ground up, in PHP & PostgreSQL - but it still uses ActivityPub so it can share with Lemmy the same as any Lemmy instance could. Meta (Facebook) will similarly implement ActivityPub in some manner and so also be able to communicate across the Fediverse. (Also as people are saying, Kbin also has implementation to share with Mastodon too while the Lemmy code does not.)

Unless an individual Lemmy - or a Kbin - instance wants that to not happen, i.e. to defederate, which is a whole other matter.

So:

  • instance = a particular machine (lemmy.ml or lemmy.world or beehaw or whatever);
  • Lemmy = code, or Kbin = different code, running on that instance, affecting what/how/etc.;
  • fediverse = everything that shares messages, like if one day a decade from now Reddit (may the spez have been fucked over MANY times before that day:-P) was forced to adopt ActivityPub and become a member in order to stay relevant, then it would become a part of it as well;
  • defederate = a specific blocking of messages from one instance to another (not necessary 2-way)

So if you thought of yourself as a Lemming/Lemmon/whatever before reading this comment, it is probably better to start thinking of yourself in terms of being a fedizen now - a member of the wider fediverse. You always were, you just did not know that yet:-).

Lemmylefty ,
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Offering 4chan up as an alternative to Reddit is like taking your cheat day from Doritos and ice cream to putting pubes you got from a Taco Bell toilet in your crack pipe.

1chemistdown ,
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Damn! I cannot get that imagery out of my mind; it’s suddenly seared onto my minds eye.

Well done

OpenStars OP ,
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Somebody who works at a company that produces articles like that mentioned how the sponsor of the list always goes at the top - hence why the next option works so hard to say that kbin is not as good as the original Lemmy - while everything else is placed there to make the original one look good.

Like, who wouldn't look fantastic when compared to 4chan!? :-P

cheese_greater ,

You certainly paint quite a picture

SJ0 ,

list 4chan as a Reddit alternative and 4chan is a cesspool.

Well yeah, it’s a Reddit alternative.

😜

1chemistdown ,
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Okay, yeah. There is the cesspool there too, but we’re comparing nuclear bombs to rotten apples here.

OpenStars OP ,
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Which one is which again? /s :-P

1chemistdown ,
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lol

Oliper202020 ,

I think reddit is the nuclear bomb🤣

OpenStars OP ,
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Reddit = rotten nuclear bomb it is then!:-P

Oliper202020 ,

Well its definitely not wrong though

Melpomene ,
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Well we do need somewhere for the creeps and such to go other than here, so yeah.

OpenStars OP ,
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Tbf I think I forgot the former myself. It is a rather nice feature in theory but I think one that I do not make much use of, personally.

I do not think I ever want to find out about the latter though, I mean first-hand:-P.

Tygr , to RedditMigration in List of subs people may find familiar

You should be using !asklemmy type links instead of direct URLs. If I click, it kicks me out of my app to where I can’t subscribe as I’m not logged in to that server.

herpderpedia ,
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I'm pretty new to this, myself. So do I just go, for example, !240sx ?

EDIT: Apparently not. It doesn't seem to be linking to the local magazine. I tried to use [email protected].

Tygr ,

What you put, !240sx should work if you don’t end it with a period?

Edit: There also appears to be a !240sx as well based on my quick search.

herpderpedia ,
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There's not a period at the end. That's outside of the inline markdown to end my sentence.

Also yes there is. That's my community on Lemmy as @herpderpedia. Although the owner isn't right when I go to it on Kbin.

garrettw87 ,
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@Tygr @herpderpedia Kbin does not support !community links just yet, but it's in the works on some level. Linking to Lemmy communities from here can't really be done without the full URL, which does mean one would have to provide two links - one that works on Kbin, and one that points to the original instance.

In related news, linking to Kbin magazines is currently a bit borked as well, because the only other syntax that works (@magname) is assumed to refer to a user account and not a magazine.

Chickenlambchops ,

So for instance. If I’m on Lemmy how do I add the 3d printing community?

Sam_uk OP ,
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@Chickenlambchops does the link work now?

trynn ,
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Using !community notation is a Lemmy-only thing. Not everybody is reading this from Lemmy, and this particular community and the OP are both on /kbin. Providing direct URLs is a more generally useful way of linking to communities in the fediverse.

Sam_uk OP ,
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@trynn Just looking again it does now seem to work on Kbin. I'll do a bit more testing and maybe edit the list if it works.

@Tygr

trynn ,
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It works from a Lemmy instance to see a /kbin magazine. It does not work the other way (from /kbin to see a Lemmy community).

Sam_uk OP ,
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@Tygr Thanks for the tip! Edited.

Sam_uk OP ,
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!til

@Tygr

GeekFTW , to RedditMigration in Microblogging Platform with an Algorithm
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instead I want to see posts that fit my interests, regardless of who made them.

Follow hashtags then? I mean I'm following a good 40 or so people so far, largely newsy type things, but I've followed dozens and dozens of different hashtags so whatever gets posted with them pops up in my feed.

No need to go following Generic Mastodon User Who Likes Transformers™ when I can just follow to see my dumb robo pics lol

0xtero , (edited ) to Fediverse in Tf happened to lemmy.world?

Looks like Lemmy code has a security vulnerability, persistent XSS, that allows injection of Javascript into the sidebar and comments. That allowed the attacker to force load NSFW content even after lemmy.world admins cleaned up the first attack.

There might have also been an admin account compromise at lemmy.world involved. Time will tell if these are related.

Edit: Looks like the injected JS code also steals login tokens from your browser, so that explains the admin compromise. Probably a good idea to not visit Lemmy sites for time being (or block Javascript in your browser, which is always a good idea).

therealpygon ,

Gee, who could have thought that allowing html in posts could be bad idea? -Every developer that has ever looked a OWASP.

Psynthesis , to Linux in Can I use Linux from a portable Hard Drive to use whenever/wherever I need it?

Yes you can. Here is a little link to help you out.

itsfoss.com/intsall-ubuntu-on-usb/

I didn’t use this method, I have a persistent Linux install on a USB, but at least it’ll point you in the right direction to figure out what you want to do.

Curious_Canid , to Politics in Speak up now: What should our community guidelines be?
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“Be Civil” is the core value for me.

I also have a question, rather than an answer. Should all posts require the URL of an external article? Or are people allowed to post “topic for discussion” and personal opinion posts? There needs to be a place for that, I’m just not sure whether this is it. So far I haven’t found a good venue for that.

HandsHurtLoL OP ,

This is an excellent question and is really up to us as a community to establish. The thought had occurred to me that there's room in our magazine for:

  • politics news that is not US-based
  • threads that are discussion only about political events
  • responding to something clearly editorial (thinking here if a really cogent YouTuber has a video essay about political matters that isn't rage bait)

It's just a matter of community members saying what kind of content they want here and us establishing Badges (we can do that as mods, kind of like post flair).

Curious_Canid ,
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I certainly don’t insist that opinion posts need to be allowed here, but I think there needs to be somewhere they belong. I guess the question is whether this should be primarily a place to find news or a place for taking about it.

HandsHurtLoL OP ,

I'm really open to this place being a location to receive information and a place to discuss it, even at a meta level.

Check my response to CurrMudgeon above for my preliminary views (subject to input!) on how we can provide this expectation in the community rules.

wagesj45 ,
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Politics is all about opinion. We all have different opinions on how society should be run. If we only allow fact-based reporting, this magazine might as well just be /m/news. Opinion pieces should definitely be allowed. Maybe limit it to external opinion pieces from established institutions to keep content quality high.

HandsHurtLoL OP ,

I agree with all this. Let's see how other community members chime in.

Madison_rogue ,
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Based off Rule #3 I would believe that it's unspoken. However I think it should be added. I for one liked that r/politics had this rule. This magazine doesn't have to mirror that, however I believe it's worth consideration.

That said, Rule #3 could be extended to editorialized media, unless specified that the "editorializing/opinion/commentary" is OP's. That's something that should be included.

ininewcrow , to RedditMigration in What do people here think about Nostr?
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For those of us who are not as technically minded or knowledgeable … you should mention and talk a bit more about what Nostr is.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr

I’ve never heard of this and now you’ve got me interested.

What are your thoughts and opinions about Nostr?

abff08f4813c , to RedditMigration in How do I delete all comments from Reddit data export csv for free??

Recommend giving https://github.com/andrewbanchich/shreddit a try - it supports using the GDPR archive out of the box, no code changes required.

e_t_ Admin ,

I recently got my export from Reddit and did exactly this. It took shreddit the better part of two days to delete all 18000-odd of my comments.

Jon-H558 OP ,

Thanks I think I can work with that. I didn't realise there was an open fork of shreddit. I was just thinking of shreddit.com

SpaceCadet2000 ,
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Thanks for that. It seems to be working for me. I just set it to work on my 12 year old, 13000 comment history.

lobster_irl , to RedditMigration in Deleting my Reddit comments was a strange experience.
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Ahhh yeah me too :( Incidentally I also swapped to Pathfinder 2e only a few months before leaving reddit and we’re having a lot of fun in our campaign!

dumples OP ,
@dumples@kbin.social avatar

I played a few sessions of PF 2e. It's fun. If we weren't 2 years into our campaign I would switch. Next one I think we are going to do pathfinder

lobster_irl ,
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We switched mid campaign, but we luckily had a good reason for the changes as we just ended up in the feywild so whenever anything weird comes up we can wave our hands at the fey 😂

Lells ,
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Could you not convert your characters over? I don't play either one (I was more into Palladium games like TMNT and Heroes, or the old Westwood Star Wars), but I feel like it could be doable?

dumples OP ,
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You can but nothing is ever directly equivalent so it's easier to do earlier. Besides we're already this deep and it's not like we are paying anything since we're using static source books

Granite , to RedditMigration in /r/NonCredibleDefense recieves automated notice from the admins to remove its NSFW designation, or else. Mods respond by messaging the admins a bunch of death and porn.

Good luck with that ban, NCD. Way to give yourself a Viking funeral!

Will Reddit ban them like TIHI, or just replace the mods (with whom tho?)

Helldiver_M OP ,
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It remains to be seen. Imho, replacing the mods might as well be as bad as a ban. NCD has a really specific culture, and the shitposting really walks this tightrope between hilarious and annoying. The current mod team has, in my opinion, done a fantastic job of walking that line. Banning ERA posting is a good example. I'm not confident that they could successfully reshuffle the mod team without hurting the culture.

Granite ,

I agree. Well, NCD has some new instances over here, so I’m not sweating.

What I really miss is polandball though.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
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Wow the admins banned TIHI? Reddit just keeps getting shittier and shittier.

bobthened , to Politics in No subject in American politics exhibits our reliance on strawman more than the abortion debate.

Don’t both sides this, this isn’t a both sides situation. I’m sure that there are some pro-choice people who do genuinely believe that life begins at conception and a foetus is equal to a living child but a) They are just categorically scientifically wrong, so it doesn’t matter what they think, and b) they are not the ones who are leading the charge for changing the laws, the ones in power who are pushing the narrative are doing it to distract their voting base from actual problems, to get the, riled up about a non-issue to trick them into voting against their own best interests.

Besides if they genuinely cared for the babies then there are many many other things they could get animated about that would actually make a positive impact on the lives of children like; more affordable/free healthcare, more paid maternity and paternity leave, better social programmes to help struggling parents etc. they’re just mad about it because it’s the issue of the year that right-wing media told them to be mad about – they haven’t actually thought about it much beyond that.

And even if they weren’t wrong about the science (which they are), it doesn’t matter because banning something like abortions doesn’t stop people wanting them and getting them, it just makes people do them in unsafe ways (ways that are much more likely to cause the death of the prospective mothers. If the religious right actually wanted to reduce the number of abortions then they should be pushing for thing like; better sex education, easier access to affordable/free contraception, the removal of “abstinence only” teaching practices etc.

dragonist , to /kbin in Unmoderated and now extremely delayed federation - is it time to move?
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I’ve been feeling it too, and have been on the fence about jumping ship. My block list is growing so fast it’s just a touch obscene. So many pill pushers junk websites and… random and science are hit so hard it’s frustrating.

Raffster , to /kbin in So much spam

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  • snooggums ,
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    I will be registering elsewhere to see if the experience is any better. I really like the overall direction and design of kbin, but things have been dragging on updates and improvements.

    For example, my settings are identical as far as I can tell between desktop and mobile, but my mobile feed is generally hitting day old on the first page while desktop has several pages of more recent content. I walked through the settings side by side and they appear identical.

    But I haven't reported it or searched to see if someone else has because of the absence making the effort to document and report less urgent.

    I'll keep my account of course and keep an eye out if it picks back up because do like the browser based interface and the combo of lemmy and mastodon in a single feed.

    celeste ,
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    I know the admin here recently had a minor surgery. I'm hoping for some kind of solution for when normal life stuff keeps him away. Like a few people just in charge of getting rid of spammers and worse people.

    Yprum OP ,

    I was guessing that could be the issue, but even if there's little moderation I still wanted to know the best way to report :)

    yenahmik , to Personal Finance in 12% 401(k) Contribution - What to do? [USA]

    General retirement advice is to contribute 15% total to your retirement account. Since your employer adds 12%, you should contribute a minimum of 3%.

    As for your coworkers advice, it may or may not be valid. Contributing to your 401k or a taxable account, both allow you to invest your money. The 401k comes along with tax advantages. Assuming you are making Traditional contributions, then you are saving taxes at the marginal tax bracket (potentially 22 or 24%). If you contribute enough to drop your MAGI to the 12% bracket, then the tax benefit is much less. You can still contribute to Roth, which means you can withdraw that money tax free in the future but you have to pay taxes on it now.

    Another thing to consider is the fees in your 401k. Since you are limited to the options provided, sometimes fees are quite high. If you don’t have any options that cost less than 1%, you likely are better off investing your money elsewhere.

    Finally, you get into the really personal part of personal finance. What are your goals? Do you have short/medium term goals that you would prefer to save this money for? For instance, if you want to save up for a down payment for a house in the future, putting that money in a 401k is a bad choice. Do you have a comfortable emergency fund to pay for unexpected expenses? Do you have high interest debt to pay off?

    A good resource is this flowchart from r/personal finance: imgur.com/u0ocDRI

    HarkMahlberg , (edited ) to Fediverse in A case for preemptively defederating with Threads
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    Reposting this discussion for posterity

    Big takeaways, emphasis preserved from the original:

    Threads is entering a space in the fediverse which is dominated by Mastodon, so it's Mastodon and other fediverse microblogging services (including, to some extent, /kbin) which will most heavily feel the impact of Threads.

    Defederating another server means your instance will stop requesting content from that server. ... Defederation is about what data comes in, not what goes out. ... Defederation doesn't make you invisible, it doesn't block anybody else from seeing you, it doesn't protect your content, it only means you never have to see their content.

    Firstly, the fediverse is a drop in the ocean compared to Threads (104 million registered users). Obviously, Meta wants everybody, but their specific goals in terms of user-poaching are far more likely to center around the ~350 million active Twitter users than the ~12 million fediverse users (~3.5 million active). The threadiverse [Lemmy, Kbin, et al] is smaller again, at something like 100,000 active users.

    "Threads will overwhelm the fediverse with their inferior content and culture." Like the EEE fears, this one is legitimate but once again something that will primarily be felt by microblogging providers (/kbin included). Toxic users, advertisers, etc. can push garbage into feeds all day, but they will largely not be targeting the threadiverse because there's some 100 million sets of eyes to put that crap in front of on the microblogging side and it will be difficult-to-impossible for them to push that content into Lemmy/kbin threads from their interface that was never made to interact with the threadiverse.

    Is there any chance Meta has good intentions? No. But it might have intentions that are both self-serving and fediverse-neutral. The absolute best intention I can possibly ascribe to Meta is that joining the fediverse is a CYA (cover your ass) mechanism to head off regulations, especially in the EU, [e.g.] the newly-applicable Digital Markets Act ...

    CoffeeAddict ,
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    Defederation is about what an instance allows in, not what an instance allows out. Defederation stops you seeing the defederated instance's content, but it does not stop them seeing your instance's content.

    Threads poses some danger to the fediverse, in particular the portion of it centered around microblogging (mostly Mastodon, but also Pleroma, parts of /kbin, etc.), but very little risk to the threadiverse.

    The worst thing about the fediverse is all the fondue, but you don't have to eat it.

    Emphasis from the original post.

    This is a detailed summary, thank you for linking.

    I have also read some other POVs here; my fears are not totally allayed and I still think Meta is only engaing with Activity Pub to prevent new, potential competitors arising from it.

    I hope the OP is right about it being very little risk to the Threadiverse. The good news is that Threads is focused enitrely on microblogging and not the Threadiverse. Perhaps that means Kbin and Lemmy users will be able to sit on the sidelines and see how it plays out for a bit, idk. Mastodon users will be seeing the most change.

    Either way, I remain a skeptic.

    ThatOneKirbyMain2568 OP ,
    @ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social avatar

    The issue is that this does affect Kbin because Kbin is a microblogging platform. It's also a thread aggregator, but it has microblog functionality that some people do actually use. Should we not defederate, stuff from Threads will flood the microblogs of Kbin. If your home page is set to use the All Content feed (like mine is), you'll see microblogs from Threads there. This doesn't have as much of an effect as it does on a purely microblogging-focused platform like Mastodon, but it does still affect a big way that Kbin is used.

    CoffeeAddict ,
    @CoffeeAddict@kbin.social avatar

    Right, and that’s part of why I remain a skeptic. Kbin’s microblog being overtaken by Thread’s content could very well limit kbin’s growth and viability as a microblogging platform - especially if Meta pulls the plug later.

    But, I have also seen the opinion that not having Threads content could make kbin unappealing as a microblogging platform. (I’m not sure if I agree with this, but I have seen it mentioned.)

    I guess the questions are, Can Kbin grow with Threads content? And, Will the lack of Threads content make it unappealing to new users?

    Also, another problem I think is that kbin might not have the userbase and content yet to be self-sustaining when faced with a goliath company like Meta; if we produced as much content as Threads will (or enough to the point that defederating kbin would hurt Threads) then there wouldn’t be much of a concern.

    Idk, Threads is ultimately the one forcing the situation (probably intentionally) where federating with them is risky but also refusing to do so could be self-isolating. I still maintain that they’re doing it now while the fediverse is still young for a reason, and that is so they can grab so much of the “fondue” that everyone comes to them anyway.

    I would like to see kbin succeed, and I don’t trust Meta. Whatever kbin decides to do I will be here for it, but I’m definitely a Meta skeptic.

    HarkMahlberg ,
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    To put my own skin in the game, I quite like the microblogging side of kbin. I like that I can swap between the thread and blog sides, I like that I can combine them into one view if I choose, and I like that I don't need a separate account to use either service. Using kbin's microblog was the first time I ever blogged, period. I'd hate to see that stream be overwhelmed by Threads users.

    CoffeeAddict ,
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    Exactly one of the reasons why I remain a skeptic.

    I don’t want sound too much like I’m complaining about “Eternal September” but I quite like how kbin’s microblog is right now. Having millions of threads users suddenly flood it with random… crap… would change it forever.

    I haven’t used instagram in more than half a decade. When I hopped on to see what it was like recently, I hardly recognized it and all the content was completely irrelevant. I would hate to see that happen to the microblog.

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