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OsrsNeedsF2P , to Politics in [News] "Hit list": Trump grand jurors face violent threats after names and addresses shared on QAnon forums - Salon.com

Why were the juror names released? Is that customary?

Arotrios OP , (edited )
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No, it's not. I'm guessing a MAGA that works within the GA court system got hold of the names and published them specifically so they could be targeted and harassed.

EDIT: thanks to @solidgrue for the correction. I spoke too quickly, and didn't have a full understanding of GA law.

FfaerieOxide ,
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No, in Georgia you have to release the names or the indictment is defective.

  • Indictment that failed to show the names of the grand jurors who found the indictment is defective. Willerson v. State, 14 Ga. App. 451, 81 S.E. 391 (1914).

Indictment would have been defective had the indictment failed to show the names of the grand jurors who returned the indictment. Hawkins v. State, 260 Ga. 138, 390 S.E.2d 836 (1990).

SubArcticTundra , (edited ) to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?
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Seems like the US is going through its phase of fascism. It’s not a mistake that the US has much domestic experience with* (unlike most of Europe) so looks like the lesson sadly hasn’t gotten through to a sizable part of the population yet

*I am ignoring a lot of shady 20th century stuff here, but I mean like full on Mussolini fascism

DarkDarkHouse ,
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It would be nice if it were one and done, but what’s happening in Italy again is concerning.

SubArcticTundra , (edited )
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That’s a fair point. I haven’t been watching it closely, but hopefully it’ll pass eventually. Because the populist waves have already passed in a ton of countries, like the UK (soon to come) Poland (again probably soon) Slovenia (already passed), Czechia, Spain(?) or even Brazil. Hopefully it doesn’t get stuck like it did in Hungary.

vettnerk , to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?

Pandora should’ve never made that TikTok unboxing video.

JoMiran , to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?
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…nothing has ever been normal in American politics…

American politics have been pretty boring most of my life (I’m 50). Shit got weird with the “hanging chads” but we moved on fairly well. Newt Gingrich and crew were pretty nasty but nothing crazy. Then shit went off the rails with the Tea Party and MAGA.

spaceghoti OP ,

You…didn’t see how Gingrich and company led to Bush and the 2008 financial crash that then led to the Tea Party which is currently rebranded as MAGA?

squiblet ,
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The way the republicans devoted the entire 90s to trying to crucify Clinton was notable. Then insane BS like Rush Limbaugh and the various angry sneerers on Fox. But also, Reagan…. and then back to Watergate, and JFK, and so on. So it’s been nutty for a while.

JoMiran ,
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I didn’t say we weren’t in a slow moving train wreck, but it was all very boring. You know, a definitive lack of insurrection and treason.

spaceghoti OP ,

Ah, in the context of the lack of insurrection, yes. I’m not sure about the lack of treason, given the way Bush & Company blatantly lied to send us to war in Iraq. But I guess one man’s treason is another man’s free speech, right?

Unaware7013 ,

But I guess one man’s treason is another man’s free speech, right?

And we're going to see that same argument in court within the year...

spaceghoti OP ,

Oh, they’ve already made it. And it’s not going to fly.

motorheadkusanagi ,
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The supreme court decided the outcome of a Presidential election and no one batted an eye lash.

That was pretty weird, IMO, and a hint of what was to come.

JoMiran ,
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Yeah, that’s what I meant by the “hanging chads”, but we recovered without going crazy.

motorheadkusanagi ,
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Oh, I think it encouraged the Republicans a lot more than you’re giving credit for.

So it may feel like things didnt go crazy, but I’d argue everything about 9/11 would have been different if Democrats were in office. Probably would not have invaded Afghanistan, for example. Probably wouldve had better handling of the economy leading up to the 2008 crisis.

But with that said, I do understand that for many, it didnt feel like it had a big impact.

grue ,

Shit got weird with the “hanging chads” but we moved on fairly well.

That’s an understatement! People think that Jan 6 was the only coup attempt in the United States since the Business Plot in 1933, but nope: not only should the Brooks Brothers riot count as a coup attempt, it was a successful one!

can ,

not only should the Brooks Brothers riot count as a coup attempt, it was a successful one! °

Not really an “attempt” then is it?

Franzia ,

Thank you! I thought I knew the whole 2000 election story, but here’s a detail I didn’t know.

Son_of_dad , to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?

What the hell country is this, says the headline as if criminals in office was new and unheard of for the u.s

AlwaysNowNeverNotMe , to Politics in Most recent ex-president arrested for fourth time: What the hell country is this?
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We never should have reopened that black sarcophagus.

cmbabul ,

Or shot that gorilla

Krakova ,

The moon is an ancient alien graveyard. We’ve been cursed since the landing. Moon’s haunted.

regular_human , to Politics in New Roger Stone video exposes how Trump and his lawyers faked distance from the Capitol riots
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This goblin needs to just get into the sea already

Tylerdurdon , to Politics in New Roger Stone video exposes how Trump and his lawyers faked distance from the Capitol riots

People act like it’s his first time. Watch “537 votes” on HBO and you’ll see a very defined pattern. The guy needs to be locked up forever.

firkin_slang_whanger , to Politics in New Roger Stone video exposes how Trump and his lawyers faked distance from the Capitol riots

spaceghoti! I remember your posts and comments on Reddit. Especially on r/atheism. Nice to see you on here as well. Definitely not the same as Reddit, and in fact, I miss being on Reddit at times, but I think being off Reddit has been better for my sanity. Ha ha

Hope all is well your way. I always appreciated your posts and comments and look forward to seeing more on here. ✌️

spaceghoti OP ,

I miss reddit, but what I really miss is the community. I got to be part of some awesome groups, and now that reddit management has shit the bed I’m forced to try to rebuild here. Here’s hoping.

firkin_slang_whanger ,

I 100% agree with you. The communities I was in were really fun to be a part of. However, I vowed not to use Reddit after Apollo shut down and I’m sticking with it. Lemmy is definitely not the same, but it provides a little of what Reddit had. I’ve even tried using Mastodon whichi guess is more like Twitter, but it’s just not the same. So yes, here’s hoping!

gregorum , to Politics in New Roger Stone video exposes how Trump and his lawyers faked distance from the Capitol riots
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In recent days, there’s been rising discussion of how the Constitution should, in theory, block Trump from being eligible to run for president again. Multiple legal scholars have pointed out that the 14th Amendment bars people from running who have violated an oath of office previously, “either through overt insurrection or by giving aid or comfort to the Constitution’s enemies.” Notably, the Constitution does not require a formal court conviction on insurrection charges.

By any reasonable measure, of course, this applies to Trump. Even if he insulated himself from direct communication with people convicted of sedition, it’s indisputable that he gave aid and comfort, and continues to do so by championing them and promising them pardons. But, of course, the law is not a button you push that automatically turns the clear language on paper into enforcement in real life. Without a mechanism to enforce the law or the political will to enact it, Trump is coasting straight towards a spot on a ballot he should, by law, be barred from having.

sigh

pingveno ,

One problem that I see. Who is the source of truth on whether he was part of a rebellion or insurrection? The 14th amendment is skinny on details as to what qualifies and process for making that determination.

_Sc00ter ,

rebellion or insurrection

Thats decided by who won. And since trump didn’t win, it’s an insurrection. Had he taken office, it’d be a rebellion.

History is written by the victor

PowerCrazy , to Politics in New Trump poll proves Obama and Clinton were right: The GOP base are deplorable, bitter clingers

So because Trump appeals to a large number of people Clinton and Obama were right? That doesn’t make any sense.

akai , to Politics in New Trump poll proves Obama and Clinton were right: The GOP base are deplorable, bitter clingers
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The MAGA idiots are the dingleberries of the asshole that is the Republican party

sab , to Politics in New Trump poll proves Obama and Clinton were right: The GOP base are deplorable, bitter clingers
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Equating Obama's "bitter" and "clinging to guns" with Hillary's "basket of deplorables" feels a bit forced, and is not exactly helping me take this post seriously. The headline makes it look like Obama called them deplorable.

authed , to Politics in New Trump poll proves Obama and Clinton were right: The GOP base are deplorable, bitter clingers

And Obama isn’t nuts? Droning weddings and stuff

spaceghoti OP ,

Thank you for today’s injection of “whataboutism.” It was utterly irrelevant, as always.

authed ,

It wasn’t irrelevant… And the die hard democrats still call this fake news… See other comments

Cruxifux ,

Trump did more.

…suntimes.com/…/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-…

So if we’re talking about Trump VS Obama specifically you don’t get to use that one as a one up for Trump vs Obama.

But yes, that drone strike thing is one of the reasons I don’t like Obama. It’s also one of the reasons I don’t like Trump.

authed ,

At least you are honest, but I think Obama is the one that started it (don’t quote me on that)

Cruxifux ,

Well I think both Trump and Obama are war criminals that deserve to go to The Hague so you’re not gonna hear me sticking up for Obama starting it. But I’m gonna call a spade a spade here and say it’s a really stupid whataboutism to bring up if you’re pretending you actually care about civilian deaths when talking about drone strikes man.

authed ,

I think its worth pointing out the other is also deplorable when he is calling someone else deplorable

Cruxifux ,

So do you agree that it’s fucked up that Trump also did a ridiculous amount of drone strikes and that he’s also a huge piece of shit?

authed ,

The only thing I like about Trump is that he is not a politician… Also, I am not aware of any hospitals or weddings that were droned by Trump

Cruxifux ,

The majority of drone strike civilian casualties occurred under trump. It took me like three seconds to google dude.

What you’re doing is called a double standard. Congratulations, you stand for absolutely nothing.

AbidanYre ,

Nope, it was Bush.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

It started under Bush. We didn’t have much drone technology prior to that, so it ramped up under him, continued to ramp up under Obama, and continued to ramp up under Trump.

Whether it’s a net negative is debatable to me. It’s not like those bystander deaths didn’t happen prior to the drones - on the contrary, there were more of them because we used less discriminate bombs instead. You can make an argument that the drone strikes have saved lives, at least as compared to what was happening previously. Targeting someone in a civilian area seems pretty reprehensible regardless.

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    NataliePortland ,
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    That’s just a political attack job against Obama. You shouldn’t trust MSM it’s all lies. I bet you voted for treason trump

    authed ,

    Its not an attack, its just the truth

    authed ,

    Also… Not sure what MSM is

    NataliePortland ,
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    Wow lady you need to learn how to read. Maybe if you weren’t spending so much time getting offended about everything you would know something about news and politics. Ask JFK Jr who MSM is when he comes back from the dead

    authed ,

    Everything you don’t want to believe is fake news? Ok

    eestileib ,

    Yup that was illegal activity and he should not have been allowed to do it. Trump doing it as well doesn’t make it ok. Congress failed in their duty in both cases.

    See? If you don’t make the quarterback of your political team into a deity, it’s possible to criticize them without ego death.

    MotoAsh , to Politics in New Trump poll proves Obama and Clinton were right: The GOP base are deplorable, bitter clingers

    Back in 2008, I told my friends, “never underestimate the racists and hate that persists in the south” when they were appalled by me saying, “I’ll be surprised if there isn’t an attempt at Obama.”

    The true problem isn’t that racists exist. It’s that far too many comfortable people fail to understand THAT racists and hateful bigots still exist.

    and in very, very large numbers.

    authed ,

    I’m a white in atlanta and I experience it at least once a week

    MotoAsh ,

    What is ‘it’? Why do you experience it? What are you doing to deserve it? Being ignorant to your privilege? Trying to use your privilege like those morons that parked their boat?

    If you’re receiving racism as a white dude … you probably deserve it. This is coming from a white dude.

    stephen01king ,

    Sounds like victim blaming if you immediately assume they are in the wrong without looking at the facts first.

    MotoAsh ,

    I’m still waiting for information. Did you not notice the question marks throughout? Do you not understand what “probably” means?

    stephen01king ,

    You last paragraph suggests you’ve already made up your mind. People who victim blame ask questions all the time, they just don’t bother waiting for the answer before stating their preconceived conclusion. Just like you did, tbh.

    p03locke ,
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    You experience what in Atlanta?

    authed ,

    Black people being racist against white people… Where I am it is about 95% black

    Hyperreality ,

    Racists don't just exist in the south. They exist everywhere.

    In fact, the ones who aren't openly racist are the most dangerous of all.

    MotoAsh ,

    I agree. I only referenced the south to spare my friends’ feelings. (and because it’s WAY more pervasive in the south)

    PowerCrazy ,

    Like our current president.

    AFKBRBChocolate ,

    The only slight silver lining for me in this whole shit show is that it shined a light on how prevalent racism is across the country. As an older white guy on the west coast, I knew there was still a fair amount of racism, but figured it was mostly found in the rural south and scattered uneducated cretins. It turns out that a giant percentage of our population are racists who used to keep those opinions to themselves. Now they feel like it’s completely acceptable to voice those opinions, and the rest of us can see the magnitude of the problem.

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