It also doesn’t help that there’s a portion of feminists who are super extreme and basically just use feminism as a cover for man hating, which tends to push away young boys from real feminism.
I think there are a lot of layers to it tbh, the right promises young boys all of these things (that are bullshit) and tells them they are #1 and they matter most while in general left people tend to say that men (even moreso cis white men) are the problem, which tends to alienate those people.
As a very left leaning cis white male it does feel extremely lonely, I am very depressed and never feel like my feelings are valid. I can’t point to a boogeyman and say “that’s the reason my life sucks” cause I’m the boogeyman and the only reason my life sucks is because I suck.
It’s right wing option is just earlier mentally for boys to handle.
The upper classes are the boogeyman that made everyones life suck to varying degrees using the made up subdivisions they’ve designed to keep themselves in control. Blame those at the very top of the hierarchy, you may be higher up on it than others in more marginalized groups but unless you’re worth billions you still aint close to the top
I am very depressed and never feel like my feelings are valid. I can’t point to a boogeyman and say “that’s the reason my life sucks” cause I’m the boogeyman and the only reason my life sucks is because I suck.
At least that’s the better attitude. If you are depressed and you cope by hating on whatever minority you get told to hate, it won’t really cure your depression.
The only thing that helps is learning to love yourself and doing things, however small, to love yourself a bit more. It’s very hard to do, and it wont reward you as instantaneously as drugs or cash. I hope you find that and wish you luck.
Alas the internet thrives on rage funneling. Hard to avoid, but very toxic. There’s also an extreme left flavor of funnel, though.
Anything is better than hating someone else for no reason, I’ve got enough hate in my heart as is, and one of the best ways to make me (and most people) feel better is to spread love.
As @akasazh says baby steps for sure and you got this!
I would argue however that there is a boogeyman that you can blame and that is capitalism, so there is always that.
Additionally as you have yourself mentioned just because we live in a partiachial society that doesn’t mean that cis white men are always just winners, so I think the feeling of being overwhelmed and on your own and downtrodden by the system can be totally valid. Similarly to what @cmbabul mentioned, sure you can be a little bit more up the ladder but we are most likely all quite far away from the top :)
I hope that you feel empowered to reach out to others and connect. I am sure others share your sentiment. I think Lemmy has DMs so if you ever wanna just chat feel free to write me :)
First, man hating feminists aren’t feminists, they’re just assholes who use acceptable rhetoric (feminism) as a cover for spreading hate and bigotry. Feminism is about equality and taking down patriarchal systems that harm everyone. Although it is female centric and tends to deal with aspects of the patriarchy that affect women and gender minorities. Feminism is VERY effective, and we’re now in a situation where the harmful effects on men of patriarchal ideology are becoming more and more obvious. I believe men’s lib is a GREAT banner for men to take down the patriarchy where they’re the most affected. Working with feminism, LGBT+ and anti-racism we can ensure all harmful aspects of patriarchy are dismantled.
Second you’re not To blame. You’re not the patriarchy and you’re certainly being hurt by it in meaningful ways. If you’re not reinforcing the patriarchal systems that are harming you, you had nothing to do with the pain you feel.
You do have places to point the finger. The patriarchy and right wing ideology harms young men. Fiscal conservatives who gut education budgets, and force a focus on STEM at the expense of physical education, cooperative group sports, and recess time. Librarian educators who put all the physical activity budget into competitive sports so that “the strong rise and the weak perish”. Pearl clutching conservatives who accuse male teachers of homosexuality, grooming, and pedophilia when they try to connect with students or introduce acceptance of LGBT+ ideology ruining the careers of male teachers and robbing boys of positive role models. Men and women who spread toxic masculinity and ridicule young boys who express their feelings or emotional needs. I could go on to show the ways right wing ideology robs boys and young men of their life satisfaction and societal prospects.
Therapy is great for personal growth. For growth within your friend group and family, you can also start looking at how toxic masculinity and regressive gender norms harm you and those around you. Most young men and women parrot these views but don’t understand them. Occasional calm, polite, assertive explanations about the ideology they’re spreading is enough for most people to realise what they’re doing. You can improve your friend group over time, as well as help you encourage good supportive friendships and trim harmful ones. That will also help your emotional and mental well-being.
Just want to say, the fact that the right capitalizes on those topics makes me automatically cautious when I come across those discussions. Even reading through this community, I had to be defensive about getting hooked into something that is good on the surface but not so much underneath. My point is, its hard to talk about these topics now that its essentially associated with the manipulation tactics used by those influencers. Not sure how we can reclaim the positive while separating it from the negative.
I would caution folks against commenting before watching the video. It is vital to the health of the community to make sure that we are building on the work posted and not uncritically rehashing the same reactionary ideas endlessly.
I’m never going to watch the video. It’s not a good time right now, and I don’t think there will be a better time where I will be interested, because I disagree with the little information I have about it. A better description would help.
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The left has failed conservative men who search for simple answers and like clear rules and hierarchies. But I’m not sure what left can offer them in the first place.
No, the right is pulling boys and young men because they’re the only ones that acknowledge that these boys are not thriving in modern society. The left still generally still thinks that young middle class and working class boys and men are prospering from the patriarchy and late stage capitalism. This hasn’t been true for at least a few decades now.
Ironically patriarchy and right wing libertarianism is to blame for most of the problems of these young men so all we need to do is acknowledge their suffering and point them to the obvious socialist and left wing solutions to their problems.
These are mostly kids. Almost all are younger than 25, their brains are not fine developing. They just know they feel bad and they look to the simplest most enticing, path of least resistance to feel good.
Leftist ideology is complex and nuanced, but contains REAL solutions. Right wing rhetoric is simple but for most people it’s all empty promises and grifts. We do a great job creating accessible rhetoric for women, minorities, and LGBT+ persons and because of this these groups join in droves and obtain real improvement in their lives. We don’t do a great job of tailoring rhetoric to address the moden problems of young boys that the patriarchy creates.
That’s pretty much all I’m saying. I have a hard time understanding what there is to disagree with. I think you should look inside and think about what I said that you don’t like and why. Maybe you have something to learn or work through.
That’s pretty much all I’m saying. I have a hard time understanding what there is to disagree with. I think you should look inside and think about what I said that you don’t like and why. Maybe you have something to learn or work through.
Projecting much?
But I entertain your thought - what problems are boys facing that is not addressed by modern leftist ideology? And if you need it dumbed down and entertaining - there will be a youtube video about it.
But like you said yourself, if you are looking for “simplest most enticing, path of least resistance to feel good” - than obviously you will land with populist and snake oil sellers.
If you’re going do entertain my thought I’ll do yours!
I have one question from your assessment.
I feel like everyone wants the path of least resistance to feel good, and doesn’t look too hard unless they make politics and ideology an important part of their lives. I also think the right is trying to capture all demographics with snake oil populism. Why are they winning with young boys and not with young women, lesbians and gays (I almost added the BT+ but trying to wipe them out of existence slows recruitment drives I think), or minorities. I think it’s easy to say because they hate women and minorities but a lot of older women and minorities are strong right wingers. Are young boys are particularly wired to want snake oil compared to everyone else?
I think conservatives openly hating on women, LGBT+ and minorities might be indeed a reason why they are not as popular as with majority male young population. Not sure why you dismiss that argument. Young man, rich folks and just conservatives are the target demographic. But for a rebellious young teen boy (from my experience) it’s toss up if he wants to be edgy as left or as right. Maybe right has a slight edge right now since mainstream media became extremely fake left leaning - so maybe if I was a teen right now, I myself would lean more to the right.
So your turn: what problems are boys facing that are not addressed somewhere in the left sphere?
In another comment in this thread I list some of the specific problems of boys and young men with good leftist solutions.
Sure young men join the left. I wouldn’t dismiss this as “edgyness” as I said their brains aren’t fully developed and that’s just how they express themselves at that stage of development. But then they’re generally recruited as “allies” rather than as champions of their own leftist causes.
We definitely haven’t captured enough leftist men and pointed them to fight their own fights. That’s the whole concept of the left. Everyone fights the patriarchy in the ways they need, and we help eachother’s causes as allies. Only in all of our efforts combined do we destroy the structures that harm us all. What keeps a demographic here imo is having their own fights to fight. I think that’s what’s not addressed, the pipeline to channel curious dejected young boys and point them to their own leftist struggles while learning about the struggles of others isn’t as well developed as other pipelines. I think this is because it’s only in the last few decades that the left has had more to offer than the right for this demographic. To me that’s a call to work on the pipeline not to shrug and dismiss the situation.
Also I think you dismiss too quickly what the right has to offer women and minorities. Yes they openly hate them, but they offer them their own hierarchies under which to hate and control others. That’s why the right is so attractive to minorities such as immigrants who are used to thriving in the privileges offered to them in these structures. That’s why it’s so attractive to many older women who want power in local community social and political spheres. Although this is how their participation looks like in these structures, they usually see it as “improving societal norms” and “preventing moral decay and corruption of the youth”. This is important because people need to feel like the good guys. I’m not saying these people are better off under the right. I think EVERYONE is better off with the left. But there is a lack of understanding of what the right has to offer and why it’s attractive to people. It’s easier to tailor our message when we empathize with people and cater the message based on that.
Edit: I would also add being good allies to young men and boys fighting the leftist fight. Sometimes we tend to fear that helping them means somehow there will be less for everyone else, but it’s not a zero sum game. We destroy the patriarchy by dismantling it where it hurts us and by being a good ally to all of those who seek to dismantle it where it hurts them.
In another comment in this thread I list some of the specific problems of boys and young men with good leftist solutions.
If you don’t engage with what I write, than there is little point in this conversation for me.
That’s the whole concept of the left. Everyone fights the patriarchy in the ways they need,
Just want to point out, you confuse leftism and feminism and you spend to much time debatelording online, afk most people just want to live their life and not fight the system.
My comment was too long as is. There are like 20 comments in this thread I didn’t think I was asking for a lot to point you to a list.
I got to “the patriarchy” through leftism not feminism. When I say patriarchy I mean hierarchal structures of oppression. I spent a long time working against hierarchal structures and thinking before I realized that when feminists say “the patriarchy” they refer specifically to the primary hierarchal structure of oppression that has been operating for the last few centuries in the western world and in other parts. Since it’s more specific and precise than “the primary hierarchal structure of oppression that has been operating for the last few centuries in the western world and in other parts” I use it. It also helps me understand and connect to feminism better. I find as a man, it’s easy to feel alienated with certain rhetoric lately so this helps counter that.
I feel like I responded directly to your question though:
We don’t have a good pipeline for young men to get from curious to fighting for their rights through leftism
We’re not good allies to young men who fight for leftist ideology.
You’re right in your final point, most people just want to live their lives. When we show them the things that help them are on the left they’ll vote left. The ones who want to fight will be the ones fighting.
No you still didn’t answer what aspects for young men, the left does not cover?
Also do you have any real life experience with leftist spaces? I happen to work with visuals and so I’m involved in with the alternative scene quite a bit. Never been alienated as a dude or see other guys being alienated for being a man. There is also no shortage of guys there.
Kudos to you for contributing! No, I’ve never felt out of place in leftist spaces, but I know many young men are alienated by what they see of “loud” leftist ideology, lack of support online etc…
As for “aspects” I believe ideologically the left has the best answers for men. I think it’s more the logistical aspects I described in previous posts we don’t cover well/enough.
You know what I hate about articles with headlines line these?
It tends to generalize a whole group of people and put them all in a bad light. It may be true the the hostilities are lead mostly by cis men, but they could be a very small minority and in no way representative of all men.
What a weird article. Makes sweeping conclusions like “women are fine with trans” issues, casually ignoring the ~50% that responded unsure or negatively.
The numbers are generally evenly split positive-to-negative and whilst, yes men are between 5-10% or so more likely to respond negatively, phrasing it in a way where you treat men and women as monoliths isn’t very helpful to addressing the goal of trans positivity.
The numbers are generally evenly split positive-to-negative
For men they are (43% vs 44%). For women a majority (54% vs 31%) believed transphobia was a problem in British society.
treat men and women as monoliths
This is an article discussing demographic based polling data.
I’ll be honest I’m not the biggest fan of most headlines period. In this case, what they’re trying to convey here is that it is not women (as terf rhetoric would imply) who are driving transphobia in the country.
It depends “Is transphobia a problem” is not the same thing as “Are trans people a problem”.
For one thing trans-women seem to get far more hate than trans-men, which could sway things. Also being less exposed to progressive attitudes could also blind people to what trans people face (which would affect men more).
All this to say that the question asked in the study and what the article makes of it are very different things.
Also the spreads put up as evidence are no where near large enough (2/3 points each way) to push the idea that “cis” men are driving the issue (the study didn’t mention gender identity, the article just assumed).
All in all this article feels more like rage bait than anything that would push the discussion on trans rights Vs women’s rights forward in any reasonable way.
It depends “Is transphobia a problem” is not the same thing as “Are trans people a problem”.
I don’t think I understand what point you’re making here.
Also the spreads put up as evidence are no where near large enough (2/3 points each way) to push the idea that “cis” men are driving the issue (the study didn’t mention gender identity, the article just assumed).
There is not a single polling question that shows a difference of 2 or 3 points between men and women. The smallest gap is 5 points. With most being over 10. Further we can be relatively certain how trans men are likely to answer these questions. Why is cis in quotes?
All in all this article feels more like rage bait than anything that would push the discussion on trans rights Vs women’s rights forward in any reasonable way.
The article is a remarkably straightforward reading of the polling data. Why are you framing the discussion as trans rights Vs women’s rights? I know you are not a native English speaker so I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt but this phrasing is concerning.
I think the click baity title jinxed any discussion here.
I’m all for trans people having the right to live as their chosen gender and be left in peace to use the toilets of their choice, but the article clearly slanted it to be a case of “let’s ignore JK Rowling and co and bring this back to being a man problem”. This is from the first paragraph that gives the lens you’re supposed to read the data through.
Now, just to clear up on my origins, I’m a British expat so English is my native language but I’m also painfully aware of the scourge that is the Tory party and the havoc they’re wreaking, and I broadly agree with /u/crypticcoffee regarding the fact that there isn’t really a gender devide when it comes down to who is pushing the war on transgender people, it’s transphobes Vs the rest of us.
The revised title is much cleaner and frankly I agree with what it says, men are generally less accepting of trans people than women.
I’m being a bad mod for going on a tangent here but looking at your post history why do you end literally every sentence with an ellipses? Is this a non-native English speaker thing?
What is an ellipses ?
If You mean the triple dot... It's just as a pause... Maybe about the same as punctuation/ dot... Idk... Makes it easier to express myself I suppose..
Some ppl think 🤔 it's sarcasm ... But not for me ...
I guess this is my writing/ typing style... Maybe 😏🤔 a bad habbit I formed talking over social media over all these years... IDK TBH
It’s become common for politicians to act as if transgender rights and women’s rights are inherently contradictory and conflicting.
Prime minister Rishi Sunak blocked Scotland’s gender reform law citing “potential concerns around safety of women”, while Labour’s Anneliese Dodds has ruled out self-ID for trans people and vowed to “defend” single-sex spaces.
But, research shows that when they take these positions, Britain’s political class are not actually speaking for women. Far from seeing transgender rights as encroaching on their own, most British women in fact favour rights for trans and non-binary – it’s men who are the most vocal and determined in opposing them.
Edit: Title has fortunately been changed from the original clickbaity and somewhat misleading/offensive title it originally had.
Why is this being shared here? Anti-trans folk are toxic. There are many toxic women and men, and we should dislike them for their views, not who they are. I’ve fallen out with anti-trans friends, but I’m a cis-male so I guess I’m the problem?
I was curious about this community, but I think I’ll be leaving if this “feminist” “Men’s Liberation” community is for bashing men. Would have expected better from a mod.
Rule 9 is against “Negative stereotyping”, surely this is a breach of that. This article takes some folk, makes a generalisation for the whole population. If you flipped groupings, it would be wholly wrong, and it’s wrong here.
This response to articles about polling and demographic data will never not strike me as extremely weird. Nobody is, by any means, generalizing men any more than the data itself would show. Note the article does not attempt to establish or perpetuate any stereotypes about men as a group, it is a fairly straightforward reading of the polling data. If it’s the headline that bothers you I have to ask why? It does not make any generalized claims about men that are not backed up by self-reported polling. I hate to keep having this fight, but this is increasingly becoming an issue and poses a threat to constructive discussion.
EDIT: If you are not certain why it is notable that men are the drivers of transphobia in this instance it is because most of the transphobic rhetoric in the country relies on claims of protecting women’s rights and spaces.
The headline is a problem. It’s hyperbole. If what you are saying is true, it’s misrepresenting the data. A quick scan of the data shows transphobia is a problem for both men and women, but there is 5-10% more men who have a problem with this.
35% of women don’t believe people should be able to change their gender. 43% of men also. By wrapping this as a man’s issue implies 35% of women being against this is fine. IT IS NOT. It’s one of those “You did wrong”, “well they’re worse”. Finding worse situations does not justify behaviour. Fitting that data into that narrative is absolute rubbish.
Following on from this, I will ask, if the headline doesn’t bother you, why is that? Do you often assume men are the problem and that is normalised to you? Do you assume women cannot do wrong? When JK Rowling starts spouting her bile, do you think “this is wrong”, or do you think “well, men are worse”? Can you truly be against misogyny if you harbour misandrist views? Can you tackle prejudice with prejudice? Secondly, do you want to help guys find a healthier perspective, or do you want to push them toward toxic fucks like Andrew Tate? I think you need to look deeply within and ask what your goal is. To moderate this sub and to think this is ok is confused to say the least.
Trans rights are human rights, and we fight for them as all humans should (or are cis men banned from joining this fight?)
“If you are not certain why it is notable that men are the drivers of transphobia in this instance it is because most of the transphobic rhetoric in the country relies on claims of protecting women’s rights and spaces.”
Are you from the UK? Are you aware of the stuff JK Rowling puts out? Did you follow the Tory leadership and the anti-trans views put by Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch? Not familiar with Rosie Duffield’s anti-trans nonsense?
I understand it’s more digestible to boil down complex issues to simple conclusions, but it weakens and cheapens the debate and serves no benefit in tackling issues.
Is your point just that most of those bad actors are women? I think we are in agreement on this fact. That’s what makes the polling data interesting, that the popular demographics do not necessarily match the demographics of the talking heads.
I’m not going to simplify it’s just women. There are a number of high profile anti-trans women campaigners that are absolutely a problem. With that, I’m sure there are many male public figures who are just as toxic.
I think it’s very easy to assume a lot of this comes from bad intentions, and some of it will. I think some of this may be somewhat innocent, but ultimately unhelpful. For example, cis males may be protective of their partners and daughters, and may be concerned because the risks have often been misrepresented, for example in the case of bathroom sharing. Obviously this is paternalistic, and many would construe this as patronising. Many women are confident and don’t see that issue, and don’t feel they need that protection. My feeling is part of this may come from a good place, intentions wise, but be completely misguided, and open to negative influence from people who are peddling negative and toxic views. I think this problem is quite complex, and as a result any one single approach will not work to solve the problem.
Edit: I noticed my other post got deleted. It seems ok to insinuate something about my motives, but when I reasonably respond and ask them same question, it’s censored. I don’t think rich debate can be had here.
I think this is a solid comment with a lot of insight. Thank you for sharing. You absolutely could have lead with this and it would have been the most well thought out and intentioned top level comment here.
Edit: It is worth noting however that the reasons you’ve listed are exactly why it’s important to flip the traditional terf narrative on it’s head. By claiming they are protecting women’s rights and spaces they are able to convince a large number of likely well intentioned men of hateful ideas. It is useful to point out that women as a demographic largely disagree so as to help them see the errors in that line of thinking.
“You absolutely could have lead with this”. You respond to the quality of information you get. The headline was clickbait rubbish, and yes it is triggering (because it is laced in prejudice). I think one of the worse problems as a man, is you’re regularly blamed for the sins of all other men, even if you are absolutely opposed to that. Being stereotyped based on your gender is not fun, and I think everyone needs to move away from that.
I think if you wanted to discuss the contents of it, you were better off changing the title and warning of the clickbaity cheap title. High brow titles don’t usually warrant low brow and nuanced responses.
you were better off changing the title and warning of the clickbaity cheap title
This is good feedback. I do hem and haw over titles quite a bit. I tend to worry that if I change them too much I will be accused of misleading folks. At the same time, I think you’re laying it on a little thick about the title. “[Demographic] drives [trend]” is a very normal headline and does not need to be taken as a personal attack. I will absolutely grant that those titles nearly always require qualification but I had hoped that this community would be exactly the sort of place where the contents of the comments could provide the depth and context the article needs to be useful in a broader discussion on masculinity.
It may be a very normal headline, but it is pretty inaccurate. An accurate title would be “anti-trans sentiment high, but higher amongst cis-males”. Even “anti-trans sentiment higher amongst cis-males” would be less galling.
“driving” “hostility” implies that cis men are actively pushing to make it worse. If anything, right-wingers pushing culture wars are driving it. Maybe men are falling for those tricks more.
If the community is growing, many will not know much about past content or the purpose of the community and any new post could be a first impression. Assuming past knowledge isn’t always a good idea.
Your other post was removed because it was composed largely of ad hominem attacks against myself and logical fallacies used to claim this article excused transphobia by women.
If it’s the headline that bothers you I have to ask why? It does not make any generalized claims about men that are not backed up by self-reported polling.
Is legitimately a question looking for an answer. I did not mean to imply anything about your intentions.
“The headline was clickbait rubbish, and yes it is triggering (because it is laced in prejudice). I think one of the worse problems as a man, is you’re regularly blamed for the sins of all other men, from past generations, even if you are absolutely opposed to that and have been your whole life. Being stereotyped based on your gender is not fun, and I think everyone needs to move away from that.”
I would be disappointed if you didn’t at least appreciate why that isn’t a good headline and why it is problematic.
The Left has failed in men insofar as it sanctions (and even encourages) hate towards men.
Boys grow up seeing acceptable misandry every day on their social media. They’re implicitly taught to think less of themselves simply for being male on their feeds - and that’s on top of the age-old societal message that men are disposable, their pain is ignorable, and that they are always replaceable.
So it’s not just the Left, no, but the wing that is supposed to challenge the status quo, that is supposed to represent progress and justice, shouldn’t be the wing that’s preaches it’s okay to hate men, to be contemptuous of men, or to demonize men.
He feels safe because he thought that men feel safe.
I’m a man and I’ve NEVER felt safe at night. It’s a myth perpetuated by (feminist) women who don’t understand men’s experiences but just assume they do anyway.
And I’m not afraid just because men are twice as likely to be attacked or murdered by a stranger. I was beaten at home and I was beaten at school. These leave an indelible impression upon your soul.
Just because I’m a man doesn’t mean I feel safe and assuming it does hurts men.
But I guess this is no surprise that’s just a bundle of stereotypical attitudes towards men.
For example,
If I could advise men, it would be first to look inward.
Ah, men should “solve their own problems”, only exactly what we’ve been told for thousands of years. Interesting, this, since it’s also all men’s responsibility to help women’s struggle against the “patriarchy”.
This attitude is also expressed in his use of the word “broken”. Men aren’t victims (they as a whole can never be allowed to be victims) but they are broken - malfunctioning humans - and it’s up to each of them to solve the problem foisted upon by society at large.
Finally, it’s interesting that he never realizes that much of what he’s lost is female privilege (the hugs, the concern, the interest, the positive attention) but insists upon talking a supposed male privilege anyways.
ShoeOnHead is rehashing the usual right-wing talking points about how man are the actual victims of capitalism and society without acknowledging patriarchy in any meaningful way is exactly the kind of laundering of right-wing opinions that ShoeOnHead has done for years by now.
She has always been a right-wing grifter who enjoys pretending to engage with leftist thought in order to grift even harder. She is a deeply unserious person and any deeper engagement with her statements is a waste of anyone’s time.
This right here. People forget that patriarchy doesn’t mean that men have no problems, just that social systems favor men.
If people want to watch some very good breakdowns of the current 'masculinity crisis’s and the reasons it exists, I would recommend watching Contrapoints, Swolesome, F.D. Signifier, Khadija Mbowe, Foreign Man in a Foreign Land, and anyone that they invite onto their episodes where they discuss men’s issues. Even if a particular episode deals specifically with trans men or black men, it is still worth watching, because we all live in the same system, it just affects us differently based on its categories and enforcement of labels.
My husband and I have been watching them for years, and a lot of these videos have helped him immensely, because they allow him to put his frustrations with lack of emotional intimacy and social support into words that make sense and aren’t immediately dismissed by therapists or family members, who are often perpetrators of these very biases.
You know it’s right wing content as soon as it uses the victimizing “society has failed men and nobody cares”. Because that’s a good way to prepare someone for embracing the right wing death cult ideology. Why nurture society if it’s all against you?
Leftists use the empowering “break societal gender norms and toxic masculinity and embrace what is known to make you happy like close intimate friendships and shared vulnerability” but I’d love to see more content in this realm, the left is missing on a great opportunity here!
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