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clearedtoland , to Star Trek in Just some fun size comparisons

Sneaky Defiant! Took me a moment.

HWK_290 ,

That the Defiant is as big as the entire saucer on the Constitution class is wild. I thought it was much much smaller

Stamets OP ,
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Just goes to show how much bigger all of the ships got after TOS.

ThunderWhiskers ,
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I always forget just how large the defiant is. I feel like there is rarely anything close enough in the camera shots to get a good idea of scale. Other than DS9 I mean.

pancakes ,
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Everything looks tiny when compared to ds9

Basilisk ,

Although when they created DS9 in Star Trek Online, they had to massively scale it up because otherwise it would have gotten lost among all the players’ ships, both by sheer volume and because so many ships in the game are absurdly large.

Stamets OP ,
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Same thing happened to Bookers ship from Discovery Season 3 and 4. It can fit in the cargo bay (barely) of the Discovery and yet in the game it’s like a third the size of said Discovery.

USSBurritoTruck Mod ,
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I think the shot we see of it against the Enterprise E in “First Contact” doesn’t help with the perception of the scale of the ship.

https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/679a65f2-dd08-49eb-80ff-cc6d175d7e9f.png

xyguy ,

It’s even funnier when you hear the Sisko’s initial description of the defiant.

It’s a warship, nothing more, nothing less.

And also

No families, no science labs, no luxuries of any kind…

Meanwhile it’s almost as big as the OG Enterprise which did in fact have a regulation size bowling alley inside.

So all that space, basically just for engines and guns on the Defiant.

Tavarin ,
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It had a lot of engines and guns

Just_Pizza_Crust ,

It also had a Romulan cloaking device and ablative armor that would disintegrate when hit rather than rupture.

GraniteM ,

Tough little ship!

Damage ,

Little?

ValueSubtracted Mod , to Star Trek in Discovery will be the first Star Trek show in half a century to end without a single Jonathan Frakes appearance
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didn’t he play grudge

Corgana OP ,
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well I’ll be

JoMiran ,
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I am so sorry but I cannot give you the point. You forgot to say “umm…actually”.

MamboGator ,
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Facebones ,

/c/UnexpectedDropout

qantravon , to Star Trek in Cold take: Lower Decks should have colored an Orion's blushing as green instead of red/pink.

I fully agree. In this vein, I also think that Romulans and Vulcans should prefer green-tinted lipstick rather than red. In a few episodes in DS9 they actually did this, but most of the time they just default to red and it really doesn’t feel right.

Hyperreality ,

A common beauty hack is to match your lipstick colour to the colour of your nipple, so yeah.

This being said, maybe the Romulans or Vulcans in question have a fetish for humans.

bionicjoey ,

What colour are Vulcan/Romulan nips? Please provide sources to show your work.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Left nipple or right nipple?

ikidd ,
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All three of them.

Stormygeddon OP ,

Finally, a beauty hack for my body type.

southsamurai ,
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But my lips are already the same color

Tar_alcaran ,

A common beauty hack is to match your lipstick colour to the colour of your nipple, so yeah.

That’s extremely cultural, and doesn’t even stand up to the a historical test. I doubt it would carry over across planets. (Works great for TV audience though)

medusa ,
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I feel like a lot of it is “translated” to match human emotions. That person wouldn’t actually be considered attractive, but the movie makes them attractive in a weird way so humans can relate. Green lipstick on a Vulcan would be EXTREMELY off putting to a human, in literal stark contrast. To make a Vulcan “attractive” it would be on human terms with our sexy red lipstick or… it may have the wrong effect and not tune emotions in properly to the scene. It’s a huge reason why I hated watching Star Trek with a particular individual I know. “THOSE TWO SPECIES COULDN’T BE BREEDING! THE HORMONES ARE ALL WRONG AND THEY DIDN’T DEVELOP IN THE SAME…” and on and on.

The blushing thing absolutely should be green, but I get why it wasn’t characterized as such. Friggin apes.

funkless_eck ,

not the biggest fan but doesn’t TNG suggest that all (most?) biped races in trek share a common ancestor?

hglman ,

Yes it does, i think there is a tos episode that hints at that as well

medusa ,
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Anthropology major I think part of the argument was that since all primates share a common ancestor, when does it stop being functional for reproductive purposes? Is Tuvok sterile like a mule?

Seriously this is why I stopped watching these things with this person. It’s like watching a war movie with a veteran.

THE_ANON , to aww in Fierce

It isn’t cute guys ,unless it’s doing that in a playful way . Encouraging that will lead it to act like when grown up and it wouldn’t go well. And hippos biting shit isn’t cut at all atleast when the grown one’s do.

jordanlund ,
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You know how babies love jamming things in their mouth…

chaogomu ,

There was a podcast I listened to some time back where one of the people was describing exotic pets, particularly lions and tigers, and how their uncle had kept some, and they were told to never let the cats play bite, because they would keep doing it into adulthood, and then you'd have a dead owner.

This is why Joe Exotic's "Tiger petting zoo" had such a high body count. Turns out that meth and tigers shouldn't mix.

Hegar ,
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I for one fully support teaching hippos to eat humans from a young age.

Hippos are the best killer of humans among all large land animals. I support excellence, and so should you.

Scubus ,

Aren’t they third for all animals total? First being humans, then mosquitos, then hippos?

jak ,

Do car accidents and house fires count as humans killing humans?

Like, it obviously wouldn’t normally, but mosquitoes have zero conception of harming us, nor do they kill us directly, and they count, so intent and directness aren’t necessary.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

Lol, it’s a hippo; they kill for fun.

Letting/not letting a baby do that will in no way impact it’s behavior as an adult.

ForestOrca ,
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I suspect you are correct. And I'm not going to participate in The Experiment. And dang, they are rather cute when smol.

dipshit ,
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Raise ‘em right!

whostosay ,

LMFAO I highly recommend you go out to some of the friendlier hippos that have never done this at a young age. You’ll be fine.

FiskFisk33 ,

They all do that anyway. There is no such thing as a trained pet hippo.

ValueSubtracted Mod , to Star Trek in Me at age six, at Star Trek: The Experience
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Are you the one on the left or the right?

hopesdead OP ,
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Sarcasm?

ValueSubtracted Mod ,
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hopesdead OP ,
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I don’t understand these replies.

ValueSubtracted Mod ,
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Yes, it was sarcasm, and Riker smiles upon you.

hopesdead OP ,
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EmergMemeHologram , to aww in If you're cold, they're cold. Let them in.

I love how the cat is like “I can take him” with no reservations whatsoever

B_Larson ,

You might think that too if you had retractable razors on your hands.

jaybone ,

Not knowing that big guy has armor and his own razors?

Everythingispenguins ,

I have seen a cat take on a bear and win

root , to Star Trek in Discovery will be the first Star Trek show in half a century to end without a single Jonathan Frakes appearance

Relying on cultural hot topics rather than real character building killed this show. The spore drive was also kinda “out there” though interesting. I wish the best for the cast.

Crackhappy ,
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I enjoyed the wackiness that the spite drive introduced.

Crackhappy ,
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spore drive

almar_quigley ,

I could get down for a spite drive too.

Crackhappy ,
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It’s what you do, when you left your lover because they did something unforgivable.

Rayspekt ,

It would work thousands of years off of one drop of League of Legends solo queue.

T156 ,

One distilled drop of Star Trek fandom over the decades could take it to the edge of the universe and back at salamander-speed.

Facebones ,

I’d never pay for gas again.

Anticorp ,

That has been a disturbing trend

ValueSubtracted Mod ,
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Pretty mean thing to say about Jonathan Frakes…

zaphod , (edited )
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The show has one non-binary character and a gay couple and suddenly they’re relying on “cultural hot topics”.

Please.

Disco had a lot of flaws, and most of them were the same flaws we saw in Picard: the writers just couldn’t write full season plot arcs that were satisfying and believable. This is made worse because each season had to raise the stakes, to the point where it just got kinda exhausting. Meanwhile the show just took itself way too seriously, without really earning my emotional investment.

OrangeCorvus ,
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I agree with the original post. It’s what also killed it for me. Felt like the writers went for the lowest hanging fruit.

I mean it’s Star Trek, skin color, gender, sexual orientation, nobody cares about that. Be whoever you want to be, you will be accepted. To me that’s what Star Trek has always been about, you will always be included.

Don’t even remember when I stopped watching it, I tried a few episodes each season and I just gave up. Burnham has such a great smile but in all episodes she has a nervous breakdown and is always sad. At least that’s how I remember the series in my head. Everybody’s depressed. Don’t remember anything else.

I_Has_A_Hat , (edited )

The depression and other emotional issues is what got me. It’s supposed to be Star Fleet, yet every character is like 12 flavors of drama that should be seen as unprofessional. I enjoy diversity, however Discovery constantly used it in a way where the characters are either struggling with their identity or have practically made it their entire personality, which is stupid because ST has made clear that in its future, no one gives a shit about that stuff because everyone is free to be who they are.

I mean, they even ran out of oppressed minorities and had to start making up their own like Saru’s struggle with being a prey species. Or the fucking ship having an identity crisis.

MotoAsh ,

Honestly, the alien stuff is exactly where there is most fertile soil for allegory there. That’s what killed it for me, too. They’re all unprofessional drama queens from the 21st century. Not space exploration officers from centuries in the future.

Lwaxana ,
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I mean it’s Star Trek, skin color, gender, sexual orientation, nobody cares about that.

You’re implying that Discovery showed characters giving a shit about someone’s skin color, gender or sexual orientation?

MotoAsh ,

The show wrIters OBVIOUSLY cared. So much so it shined right through the writing.

cygnathreadbare ,
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@MotoAsh @Lwaxana I think DS9 writers cared al lot more than Discos ones. Like, Sisko was misgendering Dax almost every time he addressed her (it wasn't serious as it was made obvious it was fine between them, but it was present in almost every episode). And Kor corrects himself quickly when Dax says she is Jadzia now, while the other klingons need more time to accept her. Meanwhile in Disco I only remember one instance of "I'd rather be addressed as this" "sure!".

MotoAsh , (edited )

Yea, that’s sorta’ what I mean. They cared about writing complex professional characters in ds9 and such, not drama queens doing contemporary art. Regardless of the high production value, it has the opposite soul of Star Trek for focusing on issues over humanized characters.

Ugh, it’s so hard to describe good writing when I’m not a good writer. lol

Corgana OP ,
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Yes absolutely! Well said. Progressive themes shined through in the writing, but on-screen the characters never made a big deal out of it. That’s been very Star Trek since the days of TOS. An episode like “Let that be your Last Battlefield” would have a shoved-down-your-throat antiracist message, but it was a metaphor and not directly about Uhura, who’s race was never discussed.

Well, except that one time by space Abraham Lincoln.

Tin ,

Everything Lincoln says to Uhura is the epitome of cringe. It was certainly a different time, but oh my gosh…

Lwaxana ,
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The show has one non-binary character and a gay couple and suddenly they’re relying on “cultural hot topics”.

the gay men brushed their teeth wont somebody think of the children

MotoAsh , (edited )

No, it’s the modern, basic portrayal of those characters and their issues that’s the problem.

Star Trek is supposed to reflect on human problems and foibles with allegory. Not just slap you across the face with, “see, gays are normal, too!” Yes, we watch Star Trek. We know. Make it more interesting with an allegory tied to a other characters that aren’t supposed to be professional officers from a species that’s prescribed as already past these issues.

By putting so much basic and direct human drama in STD, they bastardized the entire bluepeint of the show.

Lwaxana ,
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im not sure how one is slapped across the face with normalcy but if you’re saying discovery didnt go far enough with the barely-disguised left wing messaging we usually see in star trek i agree wholeheartedly

MotoAsh , (edited )

I mean, yea, basically. They didn’t let the concepts steep enough so the allegory took back stage to the simplified moralizing.

I’m not necessarily against any general angle they took, it just didn’t really do the star trek intellectual thing where they’re actually competent professional adults dealing with something. The general mood of the writing is just … too straight forward plain Hollywood. Sure, Star Trek has its TV schlock, but it was that angle of at least trying to make everyone logic-first adults that made it great.

T156 ,

im not sure how one is slapped across the face with normalcy but if you’re saying discovery didnt go far enough with the barely-disguised left wing messaging we usually see in star trek i agree wholeheartedly

In fairness, that messaging has taken rather a back seat ever since Trek became big, probably because the networks see it as a cash cow, and no longer give it liberty to take the same risks.

DS9 only got as far as they did pushing the boundary because Voyager had most of the attention, for example.

You don’t really see any new Trek show pushing the boundary quite like TOS did back in the day, to the point where it was very nearly cancelled outright due to the outrage it produced. Roddenberry even wanted to add an LGBT character to it at some point, but it was shot down by the other producers. Compared to TOS, Discovery’s representation and messaging is almost contemporary, with relatively little boundary-pushing.

Compare to that to the Orville, which doesn’t have that baggage by virtue of being new, and relatively unknown, so they can get away with more on-the-nose messaging a good bit more without getting into trouble. There’s no established IP and format that the network would prefer that they keep to, or stay uncontroversial so it’s still palatable to wider audiences.

Facebones ,

Ah yes, modern basic issues like being kidnapped into a multiversal network of spores and finding your murdered partner creeping in the wings destroying everything he touches.

Mondays, amirite?

Any “mundane” problems they faced were faced by most of the crew at some point, yet you’re only complaining about non-cishets being “normal.” You’re not very good at masking your bigotry.

MotoAsh , (edited )

Those are specific details, not general nature of writing. I’m talking about analysis of the writing style, not how scifi it is.

T156 ,

Disco had a lot of flaws, and most of them were the same flaws we saw in Picard: the writers just couldn’t write full season plot arcs that were satisfying and believable. This is made worse because each season had to raise the stakes, to the point where it just got kinda exhausting. Meanwhile the show just took itself way too seriously, without really earning my emotional investment.

Some of the were exacerbated by the production issues that happened in the early seasons of the show, too.

They went through a bunch of different showrunners/producers in that time, and it shows. Much of Seasons 1 and 2 of Discovery felt like four different shows all overlapping with each other, which did not help in the slightest. It started to find its footing in Season 3, but after that was also when CBS took it off of Netflix, which also made it harder to watch, unless you were willing to subscribe to another service (that might not even be available in your country) for the one show.

It might have been more interesting if it had stabilised itself and found its footing early on, but alas. On the other hand, it being what was basically an experimental testing-ground for a bunch of different concept gave us the short treks, Strange New Worlds, and a few other shows besides, so can’t fault it that badly.

Corgana OP , (edited )
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Relying on cultural hot topics

I might regret asking this, but what “cultural” topics are you saying Discovery “relied on”?

MotoAsh ,

It’s not that they’re the topic of an episode, but that the show is RELYING on the basic drama of the cultural topics.

Trek is supposed to make allegory for cultural issues, not just blandly do the cultural issues.

Corgana OP ,
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Maybe I would understand better if you gave an example from the show?

Tin ,

I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not sure if I agree. I think of what Ira Steven Behr said about the portrayal of LGBT issues on DS9, he really feels they missed the mark because they went with a ‘technicality’, because Jadzia was married to a woman while in a male host, and those thoughts and feelings carried over, and he didn’t feel it was actually a portrayal of a lesbian romance, but a cop-out.

There are other episodes which, while groundbreaking at the time, clearly used their allegory to soften the message somewhat. Frakes has lamented that Soren in “The Outcast” was played by a female actor, for instance. Using a female made the relationship more acceptable to the viewer.

I will say, however, that in Enterprise’s “Stigma”, which on the AIDS crisis via Pa’nar Syndrome, the allegory does allow them to hold up a mirror to intolerance and prejudice. Maybe that’s what you’re getting at? By showing the relationships and nonbinary gender identities as normal, rather than couching them in a metaphor so they could show the ugliness of intolerance, the writing doesn’t go far enough?

It’s an interesting point. My instinct is that we’re mature enough to see things like gay relationships now without needing to obfuscate them in metaphor, even if the point is to highlight the flaws of intolerant views.

MotoAsh ,

Yea, I’d definitely say they’ve made missteps in the past. I also hear Discovery is MUCH better in later seasons as well, so the juxtaposition in general writing style that highlights what I mean may be muddied by competence showing up later.

zaphod ,
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So, putting a gay couple on screen and just having it be a normal aspect of who they are (to be clear: the nature of their relationship was never a plot point on the show) is “blandly doing the cultural issues”?

Was casually putting Uhura, a black woman, on the bridge of a starship on a show airing in the 1960s, without ever calling attention to her race, also “blandly doing the cultural issues”?

MotoAsh ,

My comment is not about any specific lgbtq content but about the general attitude of the writing. The focus on drama over logic completely shallows out the allegory until it’s JUST a gay couple being contemporarily gay on screen.

It’s not bad to have contemporary representation, it’s just less inspired than what older ST did. Mind, I’ve heard later Picard seasons get better on the writing, and SNW I only stopped watching because I forgot more were coming, so I’m not trying to poo poo on anything except that which people largely already agree aren’t that great.

Like the first season of TNG. It’s uh… they had some decent episodes but boy were the bad ones something. lol Or the TNG movies for the most part. They’re just … different than the show. Entertaining, but that’s not my only criteria for ST, personally.

zaphod , (edited )
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The focus on drama over logic completely shallows out the allegory until it’s JUST a gay couple being contemporarily gay on screen

Yeah. That’s my point.

Maybe there is no allegory.

Maybe it’s just a gay couple on screen.

Like Nichelle as Uhura was just a black woman in an elevated position on screen.

No message. Just simple representation.

Why is that such a problem?

Because if you ask people in the community, many will tell you they’re kinda sick of the gay experience only be represented in a negative light, always a struggle, always a message, as opposed to just them simply and comfortably existing.

MotoAsh ,

Yea, I see what you mean. Actual representation and not tokenization. I wouldn’t accuse even STD or Picard of at least purposefully tokenizing. Although with the contemporary representation with a drama focus in the writing, it almost jumps the shark enough on the ST premise that the contemporary drama representation almost just feels tokenized, if that makes sense. I don’t think it’d be obvious with better writing, and I hear they get better later, so I could see people disagreeing out of pure entertainment value in the least.

corus_kt , to aww in And when you're a cat, you want be a cat.

The ancient Egyptians knew. To err is human; to cat, divine.

kamenlady ,
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Cats should have been the aliens in ancient aliens:

Why did only Egyptians openly recognize the divine nature of Cats? Ancient astronaut theorists suggest…

Pons_Aelius , to aww in I would watch sports if this were a regular thing

Most insightful game commentary in years.

pdxfed ,

Could have replaced bill Walton, magic, Mark Jackson and would have been an improvement. Also, nearly every small market local cable “commentary team” who calls every call against their home squad a conspiracy.

Good commentary enriches the viewing experience. For the other 90% though, [mute].

DarkGamer , to aww in He's more beak than bird
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That's a onecan.

WalrusByte ,
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Now I wonder what a threecan would look like. Must be fearsome

shootwhatsmyname ,
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WalrusByte ,
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😱

rmuk ,

Biblically accurate borb.

rockSlayer , to aww in I would watch sports if this were a regular thing

Disappointed that the captioner didn’t write out the barks

Bark. Bork. Biork. Börk. Boark. Ruff.

technohacker ,
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RIP Gabe, he shall forever Bjork in our hearts

pomodoro_longbreak , to aww in Majestic
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Body horror vibes

GregorGizeh , to Star Trek in Gene Roddenberry's first sci-fi show pitch from 1955: "The Transporter"

It unreasonably annoys me that he wrote “television, smellevision, soundevision” and not television, telesmell, telesound"

Just_Pizza_Crust ,

Roddenberry really just said whatever came to mind, whenever something came to mind.

Deceptichum ,
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He grew up with the Graphvision and Phonevision brand rip offs so it’s all be knew.

agamemnonymous ,
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You’re dead wrong, it’s totally reasonable.

GenderNeutralBro , to Star Trek in Dr. Pulaski Appreciation Post

Pulaski had interesting dynamics with almost every other character. I think she was written very well, especially for such a short tenure. Crusher was largely neglected by the writers.

xyguy OP ,

I agree. And its a real shame. I also remember seeing Pulaski sitting in the chair next to Picard relatively often where I think of Crusher being in the medical bay far more. That could just be my own memory though.

EmpathicVagrant ,

She didn’t need the writers, she had her candlelit alone time.

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